I have finished listening to the episode - and whilst I agree with possibly complaints about GAE, Android etc not *really* being java (as they don't use a JVM as we know it) GAE certainly IS a java - in fact the way it stops things working (which is annoying) is AFAIK using the security model built in to java - which is a valid and standard mechanism. What it isn't is a full servlet container, or EE container, but it is most definitely java.
Dick's (valid) worries re Java on ChromeOS - that is more subtle. You have to think it as a server/servlet stack where a GUI doesnt' make any sense, then you could think of it as java (as it will be a JVM, just with no GUI - the same as we run on millions of servers all over the world today). On Jan 8, 3:41 am, Casper Bang <[email protected]> wrote: > What's funny is that Sun didn't do this themselves - that would > definitely have been positive for Java, as a dog-food exercise over > the ivory-tower stuff. And might have earned them some much needed > revenue too. But I guess that would've conflicted with them selling > expensive hardware. > > /Casper > > On Jan 7, 11:27 am, Christian Catchpole <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > I hope it's ultimately positive for Java. The stateless, single > > threaded nature of PHP style scripting languages allows them to scale > > so well. And this is a separate issue from the language itself. Java > > hosting is expensive and painful because you have to commit memory and > > CPU to each "server". Remember the M in JVM stands for machine. No > > wonder other camps have such a low opinion of the JVM. > > > Peter describes the benefits well. Highly scalable front-ends have to > > have these narrowed (optimised) abilities. Perhaps there's room to > > develop a symbiosis between the stateless front end and more > > traditional back ends though.
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