Is it any wonder why google just wants to push ahead with the web as a general purpose app platform (where it can, augmenting where it can't, as a last resort building native apps for large platforms):
http://blogs.ft.com/techblog/2009/07/app-stores-are-not-the-future-says-google/ It is NOT a boring time for mobile devices. Was it steve jobs that described JavaME as a "ball and chain" - I think he was right. Innovation has increased since people stopped caring about it. On Jan 16, 2:04 am, opinali <[email protected]> wrote: > The status of JavaFX Mobile is indeed obscure, but that's partly > because the entire Mobile market is still spinning like a decapitated > chicken. 2009 was a year of revolution with releases like Android and > PalmPre, announcements like Flash and Silverlight for mobile, even > JavaFX that's curiously ahead of its RIA-mobile competition at least > in some ways (its WinMob port is available and FCS; just not bundled > yet in new phones, but that's a hair better than things like Flash > 10.1 which are not even released). There is uncertainty in many > fronts, for one thing some pundits think Adobe's CS5->iPhone was just > a marketing stunt as Apple won't let it through the AppStore. And even > if it does, this is not a full replacement for plain Flash support in > iPhone's Safari. Will be interesting to watch if Apple can resist this > pressure, as all other smartphones will have a full-featured browser > including Flash. > > Then, there's the concurrent war of application stores - Apple's, > Android's, Nokia's, Sun's; everybody wants to be the gatekeeper and > collect 30% of all mobile app/media business. > > And there's the global leader that is Nokia, and invests in more > platforms I can enumerate - they have Symbian, they have Qt, they have > Maemo, they still have tons of phones with JavaME, every other week > there's some rumor about a Nokia WinMob|Android phone|tablet; Nokia > will carry Flash 10.1, Nokia will carry Silverlight for Mobile. It's a > big mess. (The only sure thing is that whatever Microsoft will > announce won't make any difference - WinMob 7 will suck as usual, and > even if it doesn't, the next iPhone will humiliate it as usual.) > > As for JavaFX (Mobile or not), the big question is how much Oracle > believes in it. Oracle does have enough deep pockets to just buy how > many mobile partners they need, it's as simple as that. Maybe some > device makers that would normally have agreed to ship FX, didn't do > that just because they are waiting for the Oracle/Sun deal to close so > they can milk a fatter cow. > > A+ > Osvaldo > > On 15 jan, 09:28, Karsten Silz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > In February last year, Sun released JavaFX Mobile, running on top of > > JavaME (though with just one UI component which was rectified in the > > later release at JavaOne, I believe). At that time, SonyEriccson and > > LG were mentioned as device partners (and they still are considered > > that:http://javafx.com/partners/details/device_manufacturers.jsp). I > > wrote back then that I was disappointed that no phones were > > announced. Tor responded in an episode that Sun can't announce > > phones, the vendors have to. > > > But where are the phones? I search both manufacturers web sites for > > "JavaFX" but couldn't find anything. To the best of my knowledge, > > there's no JavaFX Mobile phone out there - or is it? > > > Regardless, the competition doesn't sleep: > > > - Nokia teamed up with Adobe last February to sponsor Flash apps with > > a 10 Mio. fund (http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Adobe-and- > > Nokia-Provide-10-Million-Fund-for-Mobile-Flash-Development). Still > > the biggest mobile phone vendor in the world, Nokia still has mobile > > clout. > > > - Adobe announced in October that they'll bring the full Flash Player > > 10.1 to Android, Palm Pre, Windows Mobile, Blackberry and even > > Symbian, including support for hardware video acceleration and touch / > > acceleration support on some platforms (like Android or Windows 7) in > > 2010 (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/10/flash-101-coming-to- > > just-about-every-platform-but-iphone.ars). Even the iPhone will get > > some Flash support with the upcoming Flash CS 5 cross-compiling into > > native iPhone apps (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcs5/ > > appsfor_iphone/). > > > - RIM announced in November that Adobe authoring tools will be > > enhanced for Blackberry development (http://www.blackberrycool.com/ > > 2009/11/09/rim-announce-adobe-flash-support-coming-to-blackberry/). > > > - From the "they are still around?" department: AT&T wants to use > > JavaME competitor BREW to bring apps to "feature phones" (non- > > smartphones); > > seehttp://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/01/06/att_to_release_android_.... > > > - Microsoft hasn't made their mobile move, yet - maybe they do at the > > next Mix conference. > > > The mobile developer focus and buzz clearly is on the iPhone and other > > smartphones (like Android). So that "mythical" installed base of > > billions of JavaME-capable phones that could theoretically run JavaFX > > Mobile to me isn't that much of an advantage since it'll always be > > hard to develop for thousands of different phone models with different > > screen sizes, computing power and input mechanisms, running on top of > > often buggy JavaME stacks. And the Java store for mobile apps isn't > > even in public beta yet, with the desktop Java store still in beta, > > and only for the US in that matter. Developers like the powerful and > > rather homogeneous iPhone and Android platforms (Blackberry is more of > > a mess, I hear, and Windows Mobile is harder still; Symbian is just a > > giantic hairball). > > > The layoffs at Sun and the uncertainty around the Oracle take-over > > probably haven't helped matters, either (though Adobe went through two > > 10% layoffs at the end of 2008 and 2009, too). > > > If I was Sun then I would build JavaFX Mobile as a stack on top of > > smartphone OS, similar to Flash Player 10.1, and forget about these > > JavaME phones - developers for the most part don't care about them. > > This would be the second re-birth of JavaFX Mobile (it started out in > > 2007 as a complete mobile OS, born out of the assets of SavaJe - > > seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SavaJe).
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