Personally I see JavaFX as an exciting technology. Unfortunately, however,
it has fallen into the "Try to beat flash"-trap,
which train left the station years ahead of Javafx.

If Sun did see the potential for building REAL user interface applikations,
Desktop Java might have had a chance.
I'm afraid that this is another great technology that will just fall off the
map in a few short months.

now back to topic:

I would not build applications using these crud tools, as they are too
simplistic for our GUI needs.
There probably are use-cases for them, and I see most of them as internal
tools.

-- Erlend

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Karsten Silz <[email protected]>wrote:

> Let's take a break from discussing the evil Apple empire and the end
> of the computing civilization as we know it! Two new "drag'n drop CRUD
> application building tools" will hit the street in the next few
> months: Flash Builder 4 (formerly Flex Builder:
> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashbuilder4) and JavaFX Composer
> (http://wiki.netbeans.org/JavaFXComposer).  Both seem to allow to
> connect to a data source (DB, web service) and generate a CRUD
> interface for it mostly automatically, allowing to quickly build
> simple data entry / retrieval apps.
>
> Now both tools seem to be encumbered right from the start: For this
> drag'n drop stuff, Flash Builder relies on the server-side LiveCycle
> Data Services 3 framework that comes with "Oracle pricing" (about $30k
> per CPU, huge increase from version 2:
> http://flex.sys-con.com/node/1264181).
> JavaFX hasn't exactly taken the world by storm (see here for a rather
> bleak view: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/18/javafx_under_oracle/),
> and Sun's last effort in this area - Java Creator - failed.
>
> Microsoft has always dominated drag'n drop app building.  And with
> Rails/Grails there are some popular "application generation"
> alternatives around, even though they shun drag'n drop.
>
> So, would see yourself using Flash Builder 4/JavaFX Composer to build
> "real applications"?  Is there a huge market for these technologies
> that we just don't see because it's all just internal, departmental
> apps?
>
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