Anyone for LLVM + VMKit? :P On 31 August 2010 11:53, Jan Goyvaerts <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm afraid the opensource hardcore Java developers won't have an easy time > to get rid of oracle: > > * JavaFX, Scala or anything requiring the JVM is out - unless you're > running something non-oracle like OpenJDK. > * Your IDE is Eclipse or Intellij. Because jDeveloper and Netbeans is > Oracle's now. > * Your database is not MySQL anymore either. > * Your office package is not OpenOffice anymore. > * Your CI is not Hudson anymore. > > Not to mention Oracle and your management don't give a damn about this > debate either. Good luck telling them Java is to be disposed off because its > owner is considered evil now. I'd like to see that. :-) > > I'm afraid the choice is not ours any more. > > So... what d'you have ? :-) > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:34, Romain Pelisse <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I would that Java is more in his mid forties, so Java buy yourself a fancy >> car (Scala ?), start to play the Guitar in a band (JavaFX ? :) ), and >> probably work a little bit less... ! >> >> >> On 31 August 2010 11:30, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Java is not dead. >>> >>> Like all good parents, it has sat and patiently raised its children, and >>> they are now adults themselves. >>> and also, like most parents with grown-up children, it's reached >>> retirement age. >>> >>> So, Java, we salute you, and all you have done in raising >>> a successful family. >>> Be proud of your achievements... >>> and get out there on that golf course to enjoy a less stressful existence >>> for the remainder of your years! >>> >>> >>> On 31 August 2010 10:22, Romain Pelisse <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I think that Java is already dead, we simply don't care about it :) >>>> >>>> I mean the last "dead technology" was C or C++ - people are still using >>>> those, the previous one was probably Cobol, still a lot of people using >>>> those and there is even backport of tools such as JUnit for Cobol ! >>>> >>>> Java has been there for so long that it is not going to disappear like >>>> Forte 4GL did overnight (but you might people using Forte, so even on this >>>> I >>>> maybe wrong). Perhaps we have reached a peak and Java will go slowly down, >>>> perhaps not. But Java is dead statement are plain nonsense. >>>> >>>> I think Java is getting older, that for sure. Java is no longer the >>>> language of choice for crazy new idea or new project. The slow adoption of >>>> Git/Mercurial in the Java world is a good hint to that (I think). late 2008 >>>> and early 2009 most of major non Java related Open Souce moved to Git or >>>> Mercurial. This shift happened one year later in the Java world. >>>> >>>> Java is like an old person, he doesn't run as he did in his youth, but >>>> he is far from being dead... >>>> >>>> On 31 August 2010 10:27, Fabrizio Giudici < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>>> >>>>> I've first heard that statement around 2001/2002. It was the first >>>>> time I started hearing that Java was dead, and at the time I got >>>>> seriously worried as I focused on Java since the inception of my >>>>> career - at the time, Java was six years old and it was not surprising >>>>> for a technology of that age to have reached its peak. I seriously >>>>> started looking around to discover what could have been the "next >>>>> thing" so I wasn't trapped into a dead end. Then I learned that it was >>>>> just nonsense and I stopped worrying. Of course, Java will eventually >>>>> die and I have to be careful not to be trapped into a dead end, but I >>>>> understood that those statements are not the proper canary in the coal >>>>> mine. >>>>> >>>>> - -- >>>>> Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager >>>>> Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere." >>>>> java.net/blog/fabriziogiudici - www.tidalwave.it/people >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>> Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) >>>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ >>>>> >>>>> iEYEARECAAYFAkx8vPsACgkQeDweFqgUGxcWhgCfVGXxijXEnc47FGmlHj3+7oxS >>>>> hlMAniJV5OzoHX2r2aK6x78T4RscTsWL >>>>> =lJR0 >>>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Romain PELISSE, >>>> "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will >>>> insist on coming along and trying to put things in it" -- Terry Pratchett >>>> http://belaran.eu/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "The Java Posse" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kevin Wright >>> >>> mail/google talk: [email protected] >>> wave: [email protected] >>> skype: kev.lee.wright >>> twitter: @thecoda >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "The Java Posse" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Romain PELISSE, >> "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will >> insist on coming along and trying to put things in it" -- Terry Pratchett >> http://belaran.eu/ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: [email protected] wave: [email protected] skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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