Hi Reinier, Some fair points, but I really don't understand why you are so categorical that Flash can't work on a phone.
We have some pretty impressive games that are running on phones today, why not Flash? Admittedly, the current implementations are pretty lackluster and buggy but they're less than a year old. I don't think we'll have to wait long until we can see smooth graphics and videos rendered in Flash on phones. As for interaction (no mouse, no hover, etc...), of course, mobile Flash applications will have to be adjusted to phones, but again, it's not rocket science and more than 200,000 applications on Android and the iPhone combined show that developers have pretty much solved this problem. I'm glad that Steve Jobs is questioning Adobe's dominance and I'm sure that some good will come of it, but I'm betting that it will be a while before HTML5 matches Flash's presence on the web. -- Cédric On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]>wrote: > Why does everyone continue to insist that the whole grey-rectangle-in- > a-browser-window approach is feasible for the future of the web? > > Flash, *AND* crazy HTML5-powered experiments all aren't going to ever > run right on a phone. The notion that it ever will is a total pipe > dream. Adding flash support isn't going to help one iota, because, as > has been said, these apps are so interactive they almost invariably > HAVE TO make assumptions about the user interface; it has to assume > there's such a thing as hover (which you can do as well in HTML5 and > that would break your HTML5 no-flash web page just as effectively on > an iPhone or android phone as using flash will), it has to assume > there's a certain (minimum) size. It has to assume there's a certain > amount of processing power. > > In just about every case, writing such an app and presuming the shared > minimum amongst all platforms that the web is viewed on these days is > a pathetic platform that no one can write a nice app for. The screen > is no bigger than 400x300, there's only left click and absolutely > nothing else, not even a keyboard, you should be stingy with processor > intensive anything, and you can't assume there'll be good latency or a > big bandwidth pipe. > > Flash doesn't work for shit on android. DUH! Who was expecting > different? > > The few things where you can imagine a flash app that would work quite > nicely whether it runs on a phone or on a big iron desktop machine are > the kinds of apps that are just as easily written in HTML5, and for > these kinds of apps, flash just definitely just die off, because HTML5 > is not controlled by a single company, and integrating flash + HTML5 > is always going to be more difficult than doing something in all-flash > or all-HTML5. If the choice is between only flash and only HTML5, I > bet I'm not the only one that believes that HTML5 is a far nicer > environment than flash. So, if we must choose, we choose HTML5. > Conclusion: Flash has no place on a phone. Yes, it sucks you can't see > flash sites, but that is not fixed by adding flash support to phones. > > > > > The only app > > On Sep 1, 4:48 pm, James Ward <[email protected]> wrote: > > “Can be done” is different than “done”. :) There is a lot of Flash > content out there and it’s nice to have a phone that can render it. > > > > In my experience more of the Flash content that is out there works on my > Nexus One with Flash Player 10.1 than the HTML5 content and galleries. Many > of the demos on the HTML5Rocks and apple.com/html5 sites just don’t work > on my Nexus One. > > > > As a developer and a consumer I like to have choices and the ability to > pick the technology that is right for the problem. Sometimes that will be > HTML / HTML5. Sometimes Flash. > > > > -James > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of work only > > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:35 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: flash on android > > > > Hi > > > > Nice sites :) > > > > But when Google says HTML5 they really means (HTML5 + CSS + JS) > > > > Actionscript is based on JavaScript ( ECMAScript )! > > > > From that list of 10 sites - don't see anything that can't be done with > HTML5 + CSS + JS :) > > > > Paul > > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Steven Herod <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Have a look at these and get back to me. > > > > http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/best-flash-sites > > > > On Sep 1, 2:19 pm, work only <[email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It will be a while before HTML 5 comes remotely close to what can be > done > > > > easily with Flash today. > > > > > Plus that was just video (not really flash no) HTML5 can do that easy > :) > > > > > Plus what can flash do more then HTML5? > > > > > 2010/8/31 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:59 PM, work only <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > >> thats suck - Flash is not for mobile, just does not fit, we should > all use > > > >> HTML5 :) > > > > > > It will be a while before HTML 5 comes remotely close to what can be > done > > > > easily with Flash today. > > > > > > -- > > > > Cédric > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <mailto:javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googl <javaposse%252bunsubscr...@googl> > egroups.com><javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <mailto:javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googl <javaposse%252bunsubscr...@googl> > egroups.com>. > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<mailto: > [email protected]>. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <mailto:javaposse+unsubscr...@googleg <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googleg> > roups.com>. > > For more options, visit this group athttp:// > groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- Cédric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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