Why would PL/2 care about the TCK ? Isn't that only a requirement when you pretend to have written a JVM ?
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 09:04, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]>wrote: > Ah, the patent protection stems from the TCK. Which isn't open. Just > ask Apache. > > This is not a good thing at all. Oracle, stop this silly crap. This > way, claiming java is "open" is a farce. > > On Sep 10, 7:24 am, Keith Haber <[email protected]> wrote: > > First, IANAL. > > > > My guess is that your hypothetical OpenPL2 based on OpenJDK would be > > completely in the clear on copyright grounds, but completely *not* in > > the clear on patent grounds (since you're removing the core Java > > libraries). > > > > You probably want to start athttp://openjdk.java.net/legal/, > > especiallyhttp://openjdk.java.net/legal/openjdk-tck-license.pdf. It > > specifically disallows subsets and supersets of the "Licensor Name > > Space," meaning the Java core classes and interfaces. You need the > > TCK license to get the patent grants, and you can't get the TCK > > license if your derivative fails to pass the compatibility tests. The > > "GPL v2 with Classpath Exception" only gives you the necessary > > copyright license, not any patent license. > > > > The Apache Harmony project has been loudly protesting the IP licensing > > situation for a while now. > > > > Implementing a JVM alternative won't necessarily protect you from > > Oracle's lawyers either. It's certainly not protecting Google; Dalvik > > is itself a JVM alternative, after all, and that's what Oracle is > > suing them over. > > > > I hope my theory is completely wrong, because the situation kinda > > sucks for the open-source community (and arguably the IT industry as a > > whole) if I'm right. > > > > Keith > > > > On Sep 9, 3:52 pm, Jan Goyvaerts <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Interesting... so, in theory, any organisation with sufficient funds > and > > > expertise might actually pull it off to create a serious VM language. > It > > > would be the right time for that. > > > > > But I guess it would be risky to claim PL/2 happens to be able to use > any > > > already existing Java libraries ? > > > > > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 21:12, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Unless somebody had a trademark on "PL2", they might still come after > > > > you... > > > > > > On 9 September 2010 20:09, Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> In theory, they wouldn't come, as that's legit according to the > > > >> license. You do have to give full credit and you'd have to release > it > > > >> under the GPL as well. > > > > > >> IANAL. > > > > > >> On Sep 9, 8:38 pm, Jan Goyvaerts <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > I know there has been *many* messages already about last day > events > > > >> > regarding to the future of Java. Although certainly inspired by > it, I > > > >> have a > > > >> > question that is not about Java or any other language. So please, > > > >> *don't* waste > > > >> > this thread into something else. Thanks. > > > >> > * > > > >> > * > > > >> > * * > > > >> > Suppose I want to create a new programming language PL/2, whatever > my > > > >> > reasons for that... > > > > > >> > 1) I download OpenJDK (I know it's great). > > > >> > 2) I rename every "java" into "pl2". (I know I can't call it > "Java"). > > > >> > 3) I republish the thing as an open source project OpenPL2. > > > > > >> > How fast can I expect lawyers to knock on my door ? > > > > > >> -- > > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > >> "The Java Posse" group. > > > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > >> [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > >> . > > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > > >>http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > > > -- > > > > Kevin Wright > > > > > > mail / gtalk / msn : [email protected] > > > > pulse / skype: kev.lee.wright > > > > twitter: @thecoda > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > "The Java Posse" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > <javaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups .com> > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > >http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<javaposse%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. 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