On Dec 15, 2010, at 6:34 AM, Fabrizio Giudici wrote:

> On 12/15/2010 02:41 PM, Casper Bang wrote:
>> 
>> Well I am of course talking about the original Beans Binding
>> (JSR-295), as well as it's sister project Swing App Framework
>> (JSR-296) which depends on it. Perhaps your definition of abandoned
>> differs from mine, but most people checking the mailing-lists would
>> come to the same conclusion as I: 
>> https://beansbinding.dev.java.net/servlets/ProjectMailingListList
> The original projects have been abandoned.

SAF lives on as BSAF. See http://kenai.com/projects/bsaf/pages/Home
>> 
>> 
> SAF is a different matter. With all the respect for people who designed and 
> implemented it and for people who are maintaining (and using) the fork, Sun 
> committed a huge strategy mistake here. Instead of developing SAF, Sun should 
> have rather pushed better the NetBeans Platform. Compared with SAF, the 
> NetBeans Platform is dramatically more powerful and expandable. SAF has got 
> an advantage, in that it's simpler to learn, but it will lead you only up to 
> a certain point.

Well, that *was* the stated goal : A simple app framework designed for small to 
medium sized desktop apps that is easy to learn and quickly develop on. If 
you're going to write an IDE yourself, SAF is probably not the framework for 
you. If you're going to write Notepad or Paint, it's the perfect framework. 


Rob

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