On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: > > > 2011/3/5 Reinier Zwitserloot <[email protected]> > The US natural level of software innovation is X. Due to patents, it is > modified to Y. Is Y larger? Smaller? About the same? > > You claim it appears high, and then conclude this means Y can't be > significantly smaller. This makes no logical sense. > > Not exactly. The fact that Y is currently high (higher than any other country > in the world) shows that the system is not as broken as people who want to > abolish all software patents claim. Therefore, the burden of proof that X is > higher is on them.
Since you want proof for others statements can you please provide proof of your "fact" that Y is higher than any other country in the world? I'm not even sure how to quantify that let alone calculate it. > > By the way, the Zuckerberg story shows what would happen in a world without > software patents, since none were filed. If you believe the story as it's > being told today, Zuckerberg was able to "steal" (or reuse) the original idea > without any legal worries, thereby forcing the original authors to have to > sue him in order to claim what's theirs. This seems backward to me, but > that's basically what the absence of software patents will lead to. They sued him over a business agreement, did they not? Patenting an idea for a business is questionable even under the current patent system, especially after Bilski. > > The Google / Oracle lawsuits prove that either non-novel patents hold up in > court > > There hasn't been any appearance in court yet! That was my point, we just > don't know where this is headed, so we can't use this case as a sign that > software patents are broken or that they work. I think the point being made is that most software engineers can tell when a patent is a bunch of hooey. But just because we know it is junk doesn't mean a judge and jury will. > > Let's discuss this once a verdict is rendered, or a settlement is reached. > This might be a few years in the future, but we will probably have learned a > lot in the meantime. Yeah - that the current patent system sucks and software patents are a bad idea. Oh yeah, most of us already know that. Ralph -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
