On 03/15/2011 08:11 PM, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote:
Well said, Tor.
Overall, I take offense to the accusation of "traitor" or, to pick a
more neutral term, "flip flopper" (and for people not fluent in
colloquial American English, it basically means "changing your mind").
There is nothing wrong with flip flopping as long as you can provide a
decent explanation for your new opinion (and possibly, one for your
previous opinion as well, since you should be able to explain why you
changed your mind).
I change my mind all the time, and although I do my best to only do
that when new evidence or data has come up that I should take into
consideration, I probably don't even do that all the time. It's part
of being human: just because you like something at a certain time
doesn't mean you will like that thing forever.
Politicians tend to get crucified more than anyone else for flip
flopping, and that baffles me as well. I would never vote for anyone
who says that they will never change their mind. It's such a stupid
position to have, and it's so silly to see all these debates where a
candidate is trying to corner their opponent into admitting they flip
flopped. You will assuredly never get my vote if you engage in this
kind of shenanigan, regardless of your party affiliation.
Honestly, Les' original post was signed with tongue in cheek, so we're
probably over-reacting...
In any case, I agree with Cédric that I don't like these accusations of
betrayal (not that's relevant to our discussion, but up to a certain
level I agree with Cédric even on the last paragraph - I'm really tired
of seeing people accused of betrayal at any public discussion). Frankly,
we're speaking of highly reputed professionals that could find an
employment everywhere, thus it makes sense that they first choose where
to go and, in consequence, they like the new environment and habits. Of
course, there is also a small part of corporate camaraderie, but it's
pretty normal.
Tor did a _lot_ for NetBeans and I think all the NetBeans community is
thankful to him.
Tor is only wrong in saying that Oracles's heart is not with NetBeans.
There are still contradictory messages from Oracle, especially as seen
from a public perspective, and clearly they shrank the scope of NetBeans
when they dropped support for dynamic languages. On the other hand, as
member of the NBDT I see the will of going on and eventually improve
things, including the subtle point about the relationship with the
community, a point which has been critical since the Sun old times.
After a few months of uncertainty, we've been again provided with
one-year roadmaps and the release plan is going on as expected. I've
recently seen even public announcements from the corporate about support
and technical classes delivered for the Platform, a thing that I don't
remember it has ever occurred with Sun.
There are different attitudes inside the NBDT, of course, and I'm just
speaking for myself - only the time will tell. But in short, I'm not
seeing any lack of interest by Oracle for NetBeans, so far.
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