I think what Fantom (or any other language trying to gain traction) needs is a really good full stack web framework. Before Rails, Ruby was very obscure.
So my advice to the Scala, Fantom, Mirah, etc world would be: copy Rails. That's what Groovy did and Groovy has definitely gained traction. And when I say copy Rails - I mean the whole stack. So by whole stack I mean: build/automation framework, database framework, interactive command line console, database migrations, easy configuration, set directory structure, dev/test/production modes, built in testing framework. Even Java doesn't have such a stack. On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Casper Bang <[email protected]> wrote: > If Fantom gains true generics, hopefully it can attract some of those > that wants something more powerful than Java but not as advanced as > Scala. There's clearly a missing hybrid piece which Java/Oracle won't > fill and thus people jump to Scala - funny enough many of the same > people who have been claiming C# is too advanced. > > On Mar 22, 10:51 am, Phil <[email protected]> wrote: > > I read Jonathan's and Cedric's posts (and many of the comments) and > > both to be balanced and informative (in contrast to some of the > > comments). I don't think anybody would argue that a functional > > language can be more complex than an OO one, but it is a shame that > > the tools still seem to be lacking - something Cedric added more > > detail around. Java was better served inside seven years but there are > > still areas where the tooling is neglected or less than perfect. > > Demand will elicit supply, so as any new language (it feels a bit > > strange to refer albeit indirectly to Scala as a new language) gains > > traction more people go looking for tools and a percentage of those > > people will contribute to the tools themselves. > > > > All said, Scala is still the functional language I will turn to when I > > have the time to look at one in more detail. But sorry, Dick, I'm on > > the wrong continent for training! > > > > On Mar 21, 4:44 pm, ranjith <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK I did not say it - > > > (Sorry to post a link, but it is worth it.) > http://alarmingdevelopment.org/?p=562 > > > > > Dick, I am looking at you too.. > > > Here is what Cedric beust said.. > http://beust.com/weblog/2011/02/23/from-scala-back-to-java/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
