Yes the more "fun" languages can be a PITA because of tooling.  I was
just talking about the language itself.  Java tools sucked early on
too....

2011/6/15 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]>:
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:24 PM, phil swenson <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>> I think you are on to something here.  Java is definitely not fun.
>
> Obviously, "fun" is very subjective, but to me, there is much more to it
> than the syntax of a language.
> I often program in languages that are more "fun" than Java (not saying which
> one since it's not my point to criticize that language) but whatever fun I
> have flinging closures and spinning traits is quite often ruined by the
> extra ceremony it takes to get something to compile, to run or to be
> debuggable.
> The syntax of Java is not as fun as some other languages, but "fun" is about
> the entire toolchain and the surrounding ecosystem, and something missing in
> that bigger picture is often enough to spoil the fun.
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