There's a bit of a precedent here! To quote from one of my favourite blog postings ever[1]:
*1996 - James Gosling invents Java. Java is a relatively verbose, garbage collected, class based, statically typed, single dispatch, object oriented language with single implementation inheritance and multiple interface inheritance. Sun loudly heralds Java's novelty.* *2001 - Anders Hejlsberg invents C#. C# is a relatively verbose, garbage collected, class based, statically typed, single dispatch, object oriented language with single implementation inheritance and multiple interface inheritance. Microsoft loudly heralds C#'s novelty.* As Java devs, I'm sure we all remember our thoughts and feelings on hearing about C# That whole sense of the thing looking awfully familiar, and a general impression that Microsoft only produced an inferior clone of Java because they hadn't been able to subvert it and wanted political control (remember the lawsuit?). For anyone used to Scala, the descriptions of Kotlin and Ceylon are once again evoking that same eerie sense of familiarity and the same fears as to why anyone would want to clone a feature set so closely. Instead of contributing to the pre-existing open source solution. Those concerns are what you see coming out on reddit & co. Any semblance to trolling is purely co-incidental; the expression of a genuine fear is a very different proposition to goading people and seeing how they'll react. [1] http://james-iry.blogspot.com/2009/05/brief-incomplete-and-mostly-wrong.html 2011/12/21 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]> > > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Jeb Beich <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Why does it have to be a battle? > > > It doesn't, really, but it's been a sad trend that each discussion about a > new programming language ends up being trolled to death by misguided Scala > enthusiasts who think they are doing their language of choice a favor by > carpet bombing the discussion with variations on the theme "Scala already > does it and does it better". > > To wits, the current Ceylon reddit > thread<http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/nk1o4/first_official_release_of_ceylon/> > :-( > > -- > Cédric > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > -- Kevin Wright mail: [email protected] gtalk / msn : [email protected] quora: http://www.quora.com/Kevin-Wright google+: http://gplus.to/thecoda <[email protected]> twitter: @thecoda vibe / skype: kev.lee.wright steam: kev_lee_wright "My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger" ~ Dijkstra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
