Is there any sort of an ETA / target release date for a "stable" Java 7
(including Java Plug-In!) for Mac OS X?
On every other substantive platform (even AIX!) it seems the time is now
right to /require/ Java 7 for new product releases. Mac OS X is a boat
anchor for the Java community, though. You end up either having to cut
it loose (i.e. not support it) or it drags you down and holds you back.
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Jess Holle
P.S. I suspect any bank that moves from Java 1.4.2 in the near future
will move to Java 6 precisely because it is so old and proven at this
point. There are 2 types of IT stances: (1) those that want active
maintenance and are thus amenable to (controlled) change in software
they depend upon and (2) those who'd really prefer something that has
entirely stopped changing in any way whatsoever -- even if that means no
maintenance. Category (1) includes early adopters but also those who
very carefully gauge when a technology is mature enough to be a trusted
replacement for older versions. Category (2) includes folk like banks
who are so averse to change that they're deathly afraid of maintenance
releases.
On 2/13/2012 9:30 AM, John Yeary wrote:
Ugh!
I wasn't implying that it shouldn't be supported right now. As Mark,
and Andrew pointed out there are some obstacles and opportunities:
"Official" JDK 7 is not available for Mac OSX, and the user community
will likely need support for OpenJDK 6 going forward.
Denis pointed out that Windows builds are not necessarily being
consumed with vigor. This will likely be the case as the JDK advances
on for other versions as well.
I am kind of surprised by Andrew though... I find that folks who are
using OpenJDK on RedHat will tend to migrate from old tech to new tech
quickly. ;-)
I think that with limited resources, the folks who are working on
OpenJDK (volunteers not paid) will likely focus on the next generation
stuff. Anecdotal evidence based on experience. It does open the
opportunity for companies to support it in the ecosystem for older
editions. Even back porting changes in 7, 8, 9... if they will work
and improve the user experience.
There are a number of banks who are still on JDK 1.4.2. This
represents a big obstacle to moving forward. Eventually, it will be a
bigger task once they decide to move ahead. Hopefully, the move won't
be to JDK 6. It is like falling up stairs. ;-)
John
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Mark Derricutt <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'd say we need to support it for the simple reason that Java 7 is
not yet available on OSX.
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On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:11 AM, John Yeary <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Why would we want to continue to support JDK6 when the
community is focused
on JDK7, JDK8, and JDK9. There may a future in someone
(company) other than
Oracle to provide the support from the OpenJDK side of things.
However, I
think that the focus should be on getting companied to stay
current.
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