Glad to hear that they're not all nuts.
I've seen IT organizations who want to jump on new stuff once there is a
stable or release label on it (deserved or not) to those firmly in
category #2.
Frankly I see some of those in category 2 as using risk as an excuse.
Part of the issue here tends to be that they utterly fail to budget for
change or plan for it in any way -- failing, for instance, to ensure
even minimal knowledge transfer/maintenance about the system over time.
On 2/13/2012 5:13 PM, Ricky Clarkson wrote:
My current client is a bank that's too big to fail(tm), and they're
definitely in the first camp, partly out of fear of not getting
support when they need it.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jess Holle <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Is there any sort of an ETA / target release date for a "stable"
Java 7 (including Java Plug-In!) for Mac OS X?
On every other substantive platform (even AIX!) it seems the time
is now right to /require/ Java 7 for new product releases. Mac OS
X is a boat anchor for the Java community, though. You end up
either having to cut it loose (i.e. not support it) or it drags
you down and holds you back.
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P.S. I suspect any bank that moves from Java 1.4.2 in the near
future will move to Java 6 precisely because it is so old and
proven at this point. There are 2 types of IT stances: (1) those
that want active maintenance and are thus amenable to (controlled)
change in software they depend upon and (2) those who'd really
prefer something that has entirely stopped changing in any way
whatsoever -- even if that means no maintenance. Category (1)
includes early adopters but also those who very carefully gauge
when a technology is mature enough to be a trusted replacement for
older versions. Category (2) includes folk like banks who are so
averse to change that they're deathly afraid of maintenance releases.
On 2/13/2012 9:30 AM, John Yeary wrote:
Ugh!
I wasn't implying that it shouldn't be supported right now. As
Mark, and Andrew pointed out there are some obstacles and
opportunities: "Official" JDK 7 is not available for Mac OSX, and
the user community will likely need support for OpenJDK 6 going
forward.
Denis pointed out that Windows builds are not necessarily being
consumed with vigor. This will likely be the case as the JDK
advances on for other versions as well.
I am kind of surprised by Andrew though... I find that folks who
are using OpenJDK on RedHat will tend to migrate from old tech to
new tech quickly. ;-)
I think that with limited resources, the folks who are working on
OpenJDK (volunteers not paid) will likely focus on the next
generation stuff. Anecdotal evidence based on experience. It does
open the opportunity for companies to support it in the ecosystem
for older editions. Even back porting changes in 7, 8, 9... if
they will work and improve the user experience.
There are a number of banks who are still on JDK 1.4.2. This
represents a big obstacle to moving forward. Eventually, it will
be a bigger task once they decide to move ahead. Hopefully, the
move won't be to JDK 6. It is like falling up stairs. ;-)
John
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Mark Derricutt <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I'd say we need to support it for the simple reason that Java
7 is not yet available on OSX.
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On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 3:11 AM, John Yeary
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Why would we want to continue to support JDK6 when the
community is focused
on JDK7, JDK8, and JDK9. There may a future in someone
(company) other than
Oracle to provide the support from the OpenJDK side of
things. However, I
think that the focus should be on getting companied to
stay current.
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