I think top 10 in Tiobe seems reasonable. After that I am skeptical. I mean Delphi #13? Really? PL/SQL making a big move?
But Scala is niche. Do a job search for Scala. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> wrote: > As with all changes in Tiobe, I think most of what we're seeing here is down > to changes in the data sources they use, and the choice of disambiguation > algorithms. Unless, of course, you're willing to believe there's been a > sudden surge of interest in foxpro and NXT. > > TIOBE is inherently flawed (as is the count of job postings, the other > frequently quoted metric), and that it's going to fluctuate despite any > change in underlying developer sentiment. > > > TIOBE: Strongly biased towards languages used in schools and with corporate > backing to produce large websites of documentation. > > Job boards: Strongly biased against languages where developer interest is > high, but highly sought-after positions are mostly filled by word-of-mouth. > Also biased against languages used in primarily in start-ups that don't use > recruiters. > > > If this stuff really matters, then my advice is to decide exactly *which* > attributes you are concerned about, then look at the rankings > on http://hammerprinciple.com/therighttool/browse > > (and while you're there, add your own ranking, if you haven't already) > > > > 2012/4/10 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]> >> >> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Alex Turner <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I'm not sure how much I believe this ranking is reflective. >> >> >> I think it's meaningful if it's correlated with other data, such as job >> boards, presence on Stack Overflow, activity of various online >> (mailing-lists, reddit, forums) and offline (user groups) communities, >> etc... >> >> The #1/#2 thing should not be taken too seriously, but what is clear is >> that the three most widespread languages are most likely the first three >> languages you see displayed on TIOBE, regardless of the ordering. >> >>> >>> Searching for java questions on the web these days yields high quality >>> results very quickly. Many java technologies in use right now have been >>> around awhile and many of the knotty problems have more libraries than you >>> can shake a stick at. Maybe it's more an indication the Java has slowed in >>> forward movement rather then declined in popularity? It's not we've had >>> large new language features in awhile. >> >> >> You seem to equate getting not getting new features with declining, I >> don't think this correlation exists. I actually don't think there is any >> correlation at all if we just look at two mainstream languages: C# has been >> receiving a steady stream of new features since its inception, Java, very >> much less so, and yet, both languages are thriving and possess a huge >> ecosystem. >> >>> >>> Sadly Scala drops in two places below Erlang! >> >> >> Again, I don't think this means much in term of ranking, but it certainly >> means that Scala is as marginal as it was last year. As marginal as Erlang >> and other languages that are positioned in the 20+ ranking on that scale. >> >> >>> >>> With play 2.0 now out; I hope that helps pick things up more quickly. >> >> >> Given the considerable push back that Play 2.0 has been receiving, I'm not >> so sure about this. I think Play 2 will suffer a lot from their move to >> Scala because they will lose a lot more users (Play1/Java users) than they >> will gain new ones (Scala developers). >> >> -- >> Cédric >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
