On Sat, 27 Oct 2012 01:20:40 +0200, Ricky Clarkson
<[email protected]> wrote:
What on earth are you talking about? We discuss the quality of the
language, you say the quality is irrelevant, it's how it is in use. We
point out that those two things are linked, you say Scala doesn't sell.
Where will we go next on this tour of absurdities? Scala is slow?
Underscores are bad for the heart?
Please, let's avoid straw man argument. In every debate of Scala I'm
repeating the same point, I'm not going anywhere: Scala usage is low and I
don't see it substantially growing. You say it's approaching the top 10
languages? Fine, please share data. So far, I don't see it and evidence
backs up my point: either most people are so stupid that they don't see
the blatant qualities of Scala, or those qualities aren't practical
enough. I don't see any other explanation for facts. If you have any,
please share.
When statistics will change, I'll say I were wrong. I don't have problems
with this. Four years ago I was very skeptical about Android success, and
you can find my skepticism registered by Google. When facts proved Android
was really going to be successful, I admitted I were wrong and jumped on
the Android bandwagon. I don't have problems in changing my mind, neither
I have any particular satisfaction in proving I'm so cool I'm always
right. I don't care, indeed. I know I'm right for something and wrong for
something else. Which ones, time will tell. Professionally I'm ok when my
customers are happy and this happens and will happen with different tools.
Since Scala and Java are just tools, and I don't make them, I'm not in any
particular feeling with them. I respect any passion in other people, but I
frankly enjoy life in other things than computer languages.
Scala is free, it doesn't need to sell in financial terms to survive.
However, it is approaching the top 10 languages pretty well, and 40,000
people who started the Coursera course led by Martin Odersky clearly
think
it might have something going for it. People backing Typesafe also
clearly
think the same and are putting their money into it.
"Doesn't sell" for me meant "is not used by masses". When I talk about
"marketing attitude" I'm not necessarily talking about money: I'm talking
about the capacity of communicating ideas and make them popular. I think
the point was clear from the exchange of a couple of weeks ago. This
doesn't deny that a few people are using it, and doing very good things,
and there also some niche market for it where experts are highly
appreciated. Minorities won't change the industry, though.
Anyway, again, is Scala approaching the top 10 languages? Please let us
have data.
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