Yes, in short, System Access (and System Access to Go) is the only thing that works with iTunes right now. I don't know what the SA "mouse over" command is, but still...it works. The format kind of reminds me of AmazonMP3, which is fine. Also, I don't know why the library won't read if it has been upgraded previously--perhaps because the file contains "upgraded" data?
On 9/17/09, Sarah anson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > Yes, I have tried that. Am using a laptop though. I think the commands are > the same cause I tried a moseover on a sample freedom scientific page and it > works fine. BAut, in itunes it doesn't. > 8.2 is very easy. And, if you hit enter on a song it will play the preview > unlike version 9. 8.2 I had no probs with using jaws 10. > Sarah A. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Marang" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:20 AM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS > > >>I am just getting started with iTunes. Even version 8.2.1 seems hard to >>get it to do what I want to do at this point. I noticed that you mention >>that you should be able to get a preview in the store by performing a >>mouseover. When JAWS is focused on a song in the store, have you attempted >> >>the "activate mouseover" keystroke? On a desktop keyboard, that would be >>the Control + Insert + NumPad Enter. I am not sure how this differs from >>hovering the mouse over an object by routing the JAWS cursor to the PC >>cursor with the Insert + NumPad Minus. I would try both. >> >> Don Marang >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sarah anson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >> >> >>>I tried the system access. It seems to be working exactly the same as jaws >>> >>>when I am browsing the itunes store. >>> It won't let me mouseover a song, so I don't know how you're supposed to >>> be previewing it. >>> It is probably me it just seems that the itunes is workign the same as it >>> >>> was in jaws. It's not reading link link link over and over towards the >>> beginning of the page, but other then that it's about the same. Maybe i'm >>> >>> doing or have something set wrong. >>> Also, I know this is unjaws related, but where'd the put the free on >>> itunes page? >>> thanks, >>> sarah A. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>> >>> >>>> Prio to the development of VoiceOver, Apple took no steps towards making >>>> >>>> their computers accessible. Rather, they relied on third party >>>> developers to write programs for accessibility. This is similar to how >>>> Microsoft has interfaced with screen reader developers. However, >>>> Microsoft and companies like Freedom Scientific and GW Micro have tended >>>> >>>> to work more closely together than Apple and the previous developers of >>>> screen readers for Apple computers. >>>> >>>> When the last of these third party developers announced that it would no >>>> >>>> longer be developing or upgrading its screen reading program, Apple >>>> needed to address the void that would be created. It needed to do so, >>>> because of increasing criticism of its hands off policy and because it >>>> needed to have its products accessible to meet contracting requirements >>>> for many governemental entities. At least in part, that is why Apple >>>> undertook development of VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> Before the development of VoiceOver, Apple wanted to attract those who >>>> used Windows to its Ipod products. That is why it developed both a Mac >>>> version and eventually a Windows version. Again there were many >>>> motives, but much had to do with the economics of the music industry. >>>> >>>> By reverting to form, in this instance, I suggest that with respect othe >>>> >>>> Windows version of Itunes, apple is seeking to force the screen reader >>>> developers to play ball their way rather than building a program/site >>>> that conforms readily to Windows standard controls and structures. Why >>>> they are doing this, I don't have a clue. >>>> >>>> I think that if you'd like to continue this discussion, we've reached >>>> the point where it should go off list >>>> >>>> I thank the moderators indulgence to this point. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah anson >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:55 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>> >>>> Hmmm. Enteresting...So what do you mean by >>>> reversion to form windows? Tey are trying to make itunes 9.0 look more >>>> like >>>> a windows program? >>>> And by apple giving stuff to third party, you mean someone else designes >>>> >>>> he >>>> programs and then apple puts there name on them? >>>> Sarah A. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:35 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>> >>>> >>>>> The basic operating systems are very different. To program for >>>>> accessibility in one environment does not mean that it will be >>>>> programmed >>>>> correctly for another. >>>>> >>>>> Apple, it seems to me, has a history of pushing development of >>>>> solutions >>>>> to third parties. VoiceOver is a departure from this approach, but it >>>>> feels as if their approach to the changes in Itunes 9 is a reversion to >>>>> form for Windows based programs. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah >>>>> anson >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>> >>>>> Well, then how come it works on the mac. Don't you I mean they have to >>>>> program voiceover. How can something work with one screen reader and >>>>> not >>>>> another? >>>>> Sarah A >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:14 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> It is also the fault of the programmers who do not write cstandard >>>>>> code >>>>>> that can be accessed by screen readers. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of tim >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:18 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>> >>>>>> It is accessible using a mac with voice over, but on windows with >>>>>> wineyes or jaws expect some parts not to be accessible. That is the >>>>>> fault of the screen readers and what they support. >>>>>> >>>>>> At 06:17 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>Hi, >>>>>>>I have another question about itunes. >>>>>>>If I uninstall it to go back to itunes 8, won't it remove my itunes >>>>>>>folder where all my music is at? >>>>>>>Also, all over the apple website, it is claiming that itunes 9.0 is >>>>>>>fully accessibale. They say to use window eyes that is not much >>>>>>>different from Jaws. >>>>>>>So, if apple is claiming it's accessible then how come the itunes >>>>>>>store isn't accessible. I mean they are saying on there website that >>>>>>>the store is easier designed for the visually impaired. Is it just >>>>>>>that we don't know how to use the store? >>>>>>>I mean if they are claiming itunes 9 is accessible then it should >>>>>>>be. I really don't wanna switch back unless I have to. >>>>>>>Sarah A. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:12 PM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Go into your iTunes folder and copy the "iTunes Library.itl" file to >>>>>>>>your >>>>>>>>clipboard and put it somewhere. Then when you do manage to get the >>>>>>>>older >>>>>>>>iTunes installed, paste it over the existing iTunesLibrary.itl file >>>>>>>>it >>>>>>>>will >>>>>>>>create...unless your library is already there in iTunes first. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah >>>>>>>>anson >>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:45 PM >>>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I am not sure if you can copy and paste. If you were using the >>>>>>>>version >>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>was released before 9.0 then it would take you like maybe five mins >>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>sign >>>>>>>>up. >>>>>>>>How do I go back to the previous version of itunes. If I uninstall >>>>>>>>itunes >>>>>>>>and reinstall old version, won't that delete my library? >>>>>>>>Sarah A. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marang" >>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:44 PM >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I installed iTunes 9 yesterday. I am not familiar with the iTunes >>>>>>>>>layout >>>>>>>>>and operation yet. It seems fairly complicated. I was having >>>>>>>>>trouble >>>>>>>>>using iTunes 9 and saw others were having difficulty too. So I >>>>>>>>>decided >>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>revert to a version known to work. At least until I learned how to >>>>>>>>>get >>>>>>>>>around in iTunes. With a little searching, I found the following >>>>>>>>>official >>>>>>>>>Apple download link for iTunes 8.2.1: >>>>>>>>>http://support.apple.com/kb/DL928 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It took me 3 hours to sign up for an iTunes account, even with >>>>>>>>>version >>>>>>>>>9! >>>>>>>>>What is the deal with edit boxes and combo boxes in iTunes? Is copy >>>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>paste illegal? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Don Marang >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen" >>>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:20 AM >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I have a friend who was able to make her way around iTunes pretty >>>>>>>>>>well >>>>>>>>>>with >>>>>>>>>>JAWS 8. But Kim, do not download the latest version of iTunes, >>>>>>>>>>especially >>>>>>>>>>if you have an older JAWS. I would try looking for an iTunes >>>>>>>>>>version >>>>>>>>>>8 >>>>>>>>>>from >>>>>>>>>>a website like www.oldversion.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Holger >>>>>>>>>>Fiallo >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:57 AM >>>>>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>go to apple.com and go to iTune and download. Regarding jaws do not >>>>>>>>>>know. >>>>>>>>>>probably. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Kind Regard >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Holger Fiallo >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "kim kelly" >>>>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:29 AM >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Can I. tunes be used with older versions of Jaws? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>And how is it used and also downloaded. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>If some one can let me know i would appreciate it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Kim Kelly >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah anson" >>>>>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:42 PM >>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>I installed the update! I do not like it. You can buy stuff from >>>>>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>>>>store, but it is kinda complicated, and I can't figure out how to >>>>>>>>>>>>listen >>>>>>>>>>>>to the songs. Like, to preview them. >>>>>>>>>>>>You go to the itunes store and then in the search box, type >>>>>>>>>>>>something >>>>>>>>>>>>like "Boys like girls." If you know the name of the song like >>>>>>>>>>>>"She's >>>>>>>>>>>>got >>>>>>>>>>>>a boyfriend now." Type in "boys like girls she's got a boyfriend >>>>>>>>>>>>now." >>>>>>>>>>>>If >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>you know the name of the album type the album name "Love Drunk" >>>>>>>>>>>>for >>>>>>>>>>>>example or the artist and album "Boys like girls love drunk." >>>>>>>>>>>>Then press enter. Next tab till you hear the album you want. >>>>>>>>>>>>Press >>>>>>>>>>>>enter. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>hen it will say something like View full album. Press enter then >>>>>>>>>>>>ctrl+end >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>to go to the end of the screen. Press tab and you should hear it >>>>>>>>>>>>say >>>>>>>>>>>>"buy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>love drunk." For example and then tab again it it will say "Buy >>>>>>>>>>>>Two >>>>>>>>>>>>is >>>>>>>>>>>>better than one featuring Taylor Swift." and I am assuming then >>>>>>>>>>>>you >>>>>>>>>>>>press >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>enter on the song you wanna buy. It sould take you through the >>>>>>>>>>>>whole >>>>>>>>>>>>album. >>>>>>>>>>>>If I can figure out more, I will let you know. And, I was just >>>>>>>>>>>>using >>>>>>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>artist/album as an example on how to use the itunes store. >>>>>>>>>>>>Sarah A. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen" >>>>>>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:52 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I believe on Tuesday or sometime this week Apple released a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>version >>>>>>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>>>>>>iTunes, iTunes 9. Has anyone downloaded this and had any >>>>>>>>>>>>>success, >>>>>>>>>>>>>particularly in the iTunes Store? I did update and now I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>trying >>>>>>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>>>>>figure >>>>>>>>>>>>>out how to use the thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
