System Access is a screen reader which you purchase and install onto your computer from a CD, thumb drive, etc. System Access to Go is a web based version of SA which is free to use. You install it by going to the "Run" dialogue, and typing "SATOGO". You are automatically taken to a web site, and components are loaded into a temporary folder on your PC. After several seconds, you will hear speech. When you close the session, those temp files are uninstalled from the PC. It is targeted primarily for situations where you may have access to a PC, but no screen reading software. Keep in mind that the PC must have Internet access, and you will need administrative rights to the machine under Windows.
Andy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah anson Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 8:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS what is the difference between system access and system access to go? Sarah A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS > Yes, in short, System Access (and System Access to Go) is the only > thing that works with iTunes right now. I don't know what the SA > "mouse over" command is, but still...it works. The format kind of > reminds me of AmazonMP3, which is fine. > Also, I don't know why the library won't read if it has been upgraded > previously--perhaps because the file contains "upgraded" data? > > On 9/17/09, Sarah anson <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi, >> Yes, I have tried that. Am using a laptop though. I think the commands >> are >> the same cause I tried a moseover on a sample freedom scientific page and >> it >> works fine. BAut, in itunes it doesn't. >> 8.2 is very easy. And, if you hit enter on a song it will play the >> preview >> unlike version 9. 8.2 I had no probs with using jaws 10. >> Sarah A. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Donald Marang" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:20 AM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >> >> >>>I am just getting started with iTunes. Even version 8.2.1 seems hard to >>>get it to do what I want to do at this point. I noticed that you mention >>>that you should be able to get a preview in the store by performing a >>>mouseover. When JAWS is focused on a song in the store, have you >>>attempted >>> >>>the "activate mouseover" keystroke? On a desktop keyboard, that would be >>>the Control + Insert + NumPad Enter. I am not sure how this differs from >>>hovering the mouse over an object by routing the JAWS cursor to the PC >>>cursor with the Insert + NumPad Minus. I would try both. >>> >>> Don Marang >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Sarah anson" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:33 PM >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>> >>> >>>>I tried the system access. It seems to be working exactly the same as >>>>jaws >>>> >>>>when I am browsing the itunes store. >>>> It won't let me mouseover a song, so I don't know how you're supposed >>>> to >>>> be previewing it. >>>> It is probably me it just seems that the itunes is workign the same as >>>> it >>>> >>>> was in jaws. It's not reading link link link over and over towards the >>>> beginning of the page, but other then that it's about the same. Maybe >>>> i'm >>>> >>>> doing or have something set wrong. >>>> Also, I know this is unjaws related, but where'd the put the free on >>>> itunes page? >>>> thanks, >>>> sarah A. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>> >>>> >>>>> Prio to the development of VoiceOver, Apple took no steps towards >>>>> making >>>>> >>>>> their computers accessible. Rather, they relied on third party >>>>> developers to write programs for accessibility. This is similar to >>>>> how >>>>> Microsoft has interfaced with screen reader developers. However, >>>>> Microsoft and companies like Freedom Scientific and GW Micro have >>>>> tended >>>>> >>>>> to work more closely together than Apple and the previous developers >>>>> of >>>>> screen readers for Apple computers. >>>>> >>>>> When the last of these third party developers announced that it would >>>>> no >>>>> >>>>> longer be developing or upgrading its screen reading program, Apple >>>>> needed to address the void that would be created. It needed to do so, >>>>> because of increasing criticism of its hands off policy and because it >>>>> needed to have its products accessible to meet contracting >>>>> requirements >>>>> for many governemental entities. At least in part, that is why Apple >>>>> undertook development of VoiceOver. >>>>> >>>>> Before the development of VoiceOver, Apple wanted to attract those who >>>>> used Windows to its Ipod products. That is why it developed both a >>>>> Mac >>>>> version and eventually a Windows version. Again there were many >>>>> motives, but much had to do with the economics of the music industry. >>>>> >>>>> By reverting to form, in this instance, I suggest that with respect >>>>> othe >>>>> >>>>> Windows version of Itunes, apple is seeking to force the screen reader >>>>> developers to play ball their way rather than building a program/site >>>>> that conforms readily to Windows standard controls and structures. >>>>> Why >>>>> they are doing this, I don't have a clue. >>>>> >>>>> I think that if you'd like to continue this discussion, we've reached >>>>> the point where it should go off list >>>>> >>>>> I thank the moderators indulgence to this point. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah >>>>> anson >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:55 PM >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>> >>>>> Hmmm. Enteresting...So what do you mean by >>>>> reversion to form windows? Tey are trying to make itunes 9.0 look more >>>>> like >>>>> a windows program? >>>>> And by apple giving stuff to third party, you mean someone else >>>>> designes >>>>> >>>>> he >>>>> programs and then apple puts there name on them? >>>>> Sarah A. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:35 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The basic operating systems are very different. To program for >>>>>> accessibility in one environment does not mean that it will be >>>>>> programmed >>>>>> correctly for another. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apple, it seems to me, has a history of pushing development of >>>>>> solutions >>>>>> to third parties. VoiceOver is a departure from this approach, but >>>>>> it >>>>>> feels as if their approach to the changes in Itunes 9 is a reversion >>>>>> to >>>>>> form for Windows based programs. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah >>>>>> anson >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, then how come it works on the mac. Don't you I mean they have >>>>>> to >>>>>> program voiceover. How can something work with one screen reader and >>>>>> not >>>>>> another? >>>>>> Sarah A >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Blackwell, Clifford" <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:14 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> It is also the fault of the programmers who do not write cstandard >>>>>>> code >>>>>>> that can be accessed by screen readers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of tim >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:18 PM >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is accessible using a mac with voice over, but on windows with >>>>>>> wineyes or jaws expect some parts not to be accessible. That is the >>>>>>> fault of the screen readers and what they support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 06:17 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>>Hi, >>>>>>>>I have another question about itunes. >>>>>>>>If I uninstall it to go back to itunes 8, won't it remove my itunes >>>>>>>>folder where all my music is at? >>>>>>>>Also, all over the apple website, it is claiming that itunes 9.0 is >>>>>>>>fully accessibale. They say to use window eyes that is not much >>>>>>>>different from Jaws. >>>>>>>>So, if apple is claiming it's accessible then how come the itunes >>>>>>>>store isn't accessible. I mean they are saying on there website that >>>>>>>>the store is easier designed for the visually impaired. Is it just >>>>>>>>that we don't know how to use the store? >>>>>>>>I mean if they are claiming itunes 9 is accessible then it should >>>>>>>>be. I really don't wanna switch back unless I have to. >>>>>>>>Sarah A. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen" >>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:12 PM >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Go into your iTunes folder and copy the "iTunes Library.itl" file >>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>your >>>>>>>>>clipboard and put it somewhere. Then when you do manage to get the >>>>>>>>>older >>>>>>>>>iTunes installed, paste it over the existing iTunesLibrary.itl file >>>>>>>>>it >>>>>>>>>will >>>>>>>>>create...unless your library is already there in iTunes first. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sarah >>>>>>>>>anson >>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:45 PM >>>>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I am not sure if you can copy and paste. If you were using the >>>>>>>>>version >>>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>was released before 9.0 then it would take you like maybe five mins >>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>sign >>>>>>>>>up. >>>>>>>>>How do I go back to the previous version of itunes. If I uninstall >>>>>>>>>itunes >>>>>>>>>and reinstall old version, won't that delete my library? >>>>>>>>>Sarah A. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Marang" >>>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:44 PM >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I installed iTunes 9 yesterday. I am not familiar with the iTunes >>>>>>>>>>layout >>>>>>>>>>and operation yet. It seems fairly complicated. I was having >>>>>>>>>>trouble >>>>>>>>>>using iTunes 9 and saw others were having difficulty too. So I >>>>>>>>>>decided >>>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>>revert to a version known to work. At least until I learned how >>>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>>get >>>>>>>>>>around in iTunes. With a little searching, I found the following >>>>>>>>>>official >>>>>>>>>>Apple download link for iTunes 8.2.1: >>>>>>>>>>http://support.apple.com/kb/DL928 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>It took me 3 hours to sign up for an iTunes account, even with >>>>>>>>>>version >>>>>>>>>>9! >>>>>>>>>>What is the deal with edit boxes and combo boxes in iTunes? Is >>>>>>>>>>copy >>>>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>>paste illegal? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Don Marang >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen" >>>>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:20 AM >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I have a friend who was able to make her way around iTunes pretty >>>>>>>>>>>well >>>>>>>>>>>with >>>>>>>>>>>JAWS 8. But Kim, do not download the latest version of iTunes, >>>>>>>>>>>especially >>>>>>>>>>>if you have an older JAWS. I would try looking for an iTunes >>>>>>>>>>>version >>>>>>>>>>>8 >>>>>>>>>>>from >>>>>>>>>>>a website like www.oldversion.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>>>>>>>>>Holger >>>>>>>>>>>Fiallo >>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:57 AM >>>>>>>>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>go to apple.com and go to iTune and download. Regarding jaws do >>>>>>>>>>>not >>>>>>>>>>>know. >>>>>>>>>>>probably. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Kind Regard >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Holger Fiallo >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "kim kelly" >>>>>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:29 AM >>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Can I. tunes be used with older versions of Jaws? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>And how is it used and also downloaded. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>If some one can let me know i would appreciate it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Kim Kelly >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah anson" >>>>>>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:42 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>I installed the update! I do not like it. You can buy stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>from >>>>>>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>>>>>>>>store, but it is kinda complicated, and I can't figure out how >>>>>>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>>>>>listen >>>>>>>>>>>>>to the songs. Like, to preview them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>You go to the itunes store and then in the search box, type >>>>>>>>>>>>>something >>>>>>>>>>>>>like "Boys like girls." If you know the name of the song like >>>>>>>>>>>>>"She's >>>>>>>>>>>>>got >>>>>>>>>>>>>a boyfriend now." Type in "boys like girls she's got a >>>>>>>>>>>>>boyfriend >>>>>>>>>>>>>now." >>>>>>>>>>>>>If >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>you know the name of the album type the album name "Love Drunk" >>>>>>>>>>>>>for >>>>>>>>>>>>>example or the artist and album "Boys like girls love drunk." >>>>>>>>>>>>>Then press enter. Next tab till you hear the album you want. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Press >>>>>>>>>>>>>enter. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>hen it will say something like View full album. Press enter >>>>>>>>>>>>>then >>>>>>>>>>>>>ctrl+end >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>to go to the end of the screen. Press tab and you should hear >>>>>>>>>>>>>it >>>>>>>>>>>>>say >>>>>>>>>>>>>"buy >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>love drunk." For example and then tab again it it will say "Buy >>>>>>>>>>>>>Two >>>>>>>>>>>>>is >>>>>>>>>>>>>better than one featuring Taylor Swift." and I am assuming then >>>>>>>>>>>>>you >>>>>>>>>>>>>press >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>enter on the song you wanna buy. It sould take you through the >>>>>>>>>>>>>whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>album. >>>>>>>>>>>>>If I can figure out more, I will let you know. And, I was just >>>>>>>>>>>>>using >>>>>>>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>artist/album as an example on how to use the itunes store. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Sarah A. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Hansen" >>>>>>>>>>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:52 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [JAWS-Users] iTunes 9.0 and JAWS >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I believe on Tuesday or sometime this week Apple released a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>iTunes, iTunes 9. Has anyone downloaded this and had any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>success, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>particularly in the iTunes Store? I did update and now I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>trying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>figure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>out how to use the thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>visit: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list >>>>>>>>>>>>>visit: >>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >> >> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
