I hope you did NOT just slash the NFB Tim?
I disagree with some of the decisions (E.G., Google Apps case)
but please.
I think its rather a lack of completely capable commercial
organizations such as the W3C, that regulate all programing
technologies for internet websites to simply include mandates
that create a framework
in which companies like FS and GW Micro can opperate.
And yes, that can be done by non-accessibility related orgs.
Jorge
On Apr 12, 2011, at 1:09 PM, tim wrote:
> Well here in the USA. We have the ACB, AFB and NFB. You don't
see them doing anything for accessible software or pushing the big
companies in making that software useable.
> So just because they did something or claimed in past, don't mean
they do now.
> Yes, this can be done, but not enough of the right way can get it
together enough to mean anything. The orgs want profit and press.
Sorry, fighting for accessible software just don't bring in the money!
>
>
> At 11:57 AM 4/12/2011, you wrote:
>> All true, but once again we are discussing a large organization,
well versed in issues of accessibility who have proved that they
can mount well designed sites accessible to adaptive
softwares. They are also an organization that does make a major
point of promoting their accessibility, they even have an entire
forum devoted to the people with adaptive software needs. So they
know about and are able to use the tools you refer to. So to take
a perfectly well set-up accessible site and launch a new and
totally inaccessible one, given the source is unexceptable. And
honestly, beside the point. I want to know how I can use their
latest mistake until they get their act together and put something
better up. Based on previous experience it will take a few months
before a more user friendly site is launched and philosophizing on
their inadequacies isn't helping me in the meantime.
>>
>> Joy
>>
>>
>> Please take a few moments to browse and enjoy
>> my original artwork at:
>> www.tigerfeathers.ca
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: tim
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 11:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer
>>
>>
>> Well the problem lays with the programmer. The tools are there to
>> make all software and computers useable for those with disabilities.
>> However, those tools are consider extra and use plane functions for
>> buttons and stuff like that.
>> The programmer can still use custom code, but if the accessibility
>> functions are not turned on or used. Then its just pretty code
for the eye.
>> When it comes to programming not much is standard and custom is the thing.
>> Also not all accessible code is standard. If it was then wineyes and
>> jaws would both be the same.
>> Apple is the only one that put standards that all software for its
>> platform. Must be useable by voice over. The problem there is they
>> don't turn on those features unless asked, but they are there to meet
>> the requirements.
>>
>> At 11:29 AM 4/12/2011, you wrote:
>> >yeah, i can see that. but why are there so *many* Flash pages on the
>> >Web that aren't accessibly coded? And the BBC prides itself on
>> >accessibility. (or should I say, prided? After all, their chatter is
>> >now almost all about cutbacks.)
>> >
>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "tim" <[email protected]>
>> >To: <[email protected]>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:04 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer
>> >
>> >
>> >>Its working with the flash as its suppose to.
>> >>However, the new page given has flash not using accessibility. They
>> >>just left it out or someone else did the coding.
>> >>
>> >>At 10:33 AM 4/12/2011, you wrote:
>> >>>There are unlabbelled buttons in the flash content, which JAWS12
>> >>>sees. Mine called the Play button unlabelled 1 button, and if I
>> >>>press that to pause it becomes unlabelled 2 button. JAWS11 may not
>> >>>be working well enough with this flash content, but in any case it
>> >>>is or appears to be rather unsatisfactory so far.
>> >>>
>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Cyr" <[email protected]>
>> >>>To: <[email protected]>
>> >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 2:10 PM
>> >>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Good day,
>> >>>>My flash is enabled, and it sounds to me as though you are
>> >>>>describing the older, accessible consol which I never had a
>> >>>>moments problem with and would like to continue using. The new
>> >>>>one is NOT! like that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I am using Jaws 11, and my problems began Sunday night,, ... I
>> >>>>use the BBC site for one reason or another at least six days a
>> >>>>week and have for over five years, so please believe me this
is recent.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>If they work correctly the two links below should take you to the
>> >>>>two different listen again pages they are now presenting. The
>> >>>>first is the old accessible page, the second the new page where I
>> >>>>have not been able to find the buttons that are still there,
somewhere.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/b006qj9z/console
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00zzz1y
>> >>>>
>> >>>>----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>From: Flor Lynch
>> >>>>To: [email protected]
>> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 7:40 AM
>> >>>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>You need to have flash enabled, as the page has a lot of that. the
>> >>>>buttons are then read by JAWS. there is the Play/pause
button which does
>> >>>>what it says. The timeline button allows you to jump by percentage
>> >>>>increments, the percentage being of the programme's length. There is
>> >>>>also a volume adjust button, and an Adobe Flash popout button. You
>> >>>>didn't say which version of JAWS you're using.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>----- Original Message -----
>> >>>>>From: "Joy Cyr" <[email protected]>
>> >>>>To: <[email protected]>
>> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 6:28 AM
>> >>>>Subject: [JAWS-Users] Website problem, New BBC iPlayer
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Good day,
>> >>>>>Has anyone come across the new (and supposedly improved) iPlayer that
>> >>>>>the BBC uses to play their radio shows online? The "old"
one uploaded
>> >>>>>and showed a simple consol that was easy for Jaws to navigate. This
>> >>>>>new one is displaying a page filled with links, graphics and text. I
>> >>>>>had someone sighted take a look and the vital buttons are
still there,
>> >>>>>and have the same labels: play/pause, volume and timeline, but Jaws
>> >>>>>can't find/see them with either cursor. Could this
possibly be a Jaws
>> >>>>>setting I need to change? Or is there a work around that will let me
>> >>>>>find them? Because not being able to hit pause during a three hour
>> >>>>>show is a real problem.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>If anyone has any help or suggestions to offer I'd be very
>> >>>>>appreciative,
>> >>>>>Yours sincerely,
>> >>>>>Joy
>> >>>>>Please take a few moments to browse and enjoy
>> >>>>>my original artwork at:
>> >>>>>www.tigerfeathers.ca
>> >>>>>
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