Interesting; I've used webmail clients for upwards of ten years now, long before auto forms mode was ever introduced, and pressing enter would always insert a new line in a multi line edit field; the PC cursor command would take me out of forms mode. I wonder why it worked differently on your system - sounds like a bug as it wouldn't make sense to not be able to interact with a multi line edit field. Anyways, the behaviour with BrailleIn on my systems works regardless of whether you are using auto or forms mode as it isn't a forms mode issue, so feel free to give it a go for me in IE and report back. :)
Grant On 7/23/12, Flor Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: > In the Forms Mode as of old and as i still have it set up in IE, before > AutoForms Mode was introduced a few versions ago, pressing enter takes > you into Forms Mode and pressing enter again takes you out of Forms Mode > again. It was not possible then to do multi-line edits there. Thus, one > advantage of AutoForms Mode. (there are in my opinion disadvantages to > it, which It is not my purpose to go into here.) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grant Hardy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 11:10 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Problem with JAWS BrailleIn > > >> Multiline edit fields, such as in the Gmail interface, work with auto >> forms mode. If it isn't working for you then there's something wrong. >> ENTER should not take you out of forms mode; that was never the way it >> was intended to work, otherwise you wouldn't be able to make a new >> line. The only way should be either to press ESCAPE or the PC Cursor >> command. >> >> Grant >> >> On 7/23/12, Flor Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Where in internet Explorer should i find a multi-line edit field? >>> (that's why I'm asking about forms Mode. You can't do multi-line >>> edits >>> without autoforms enabled; or can you? One could paste in from >>> Notepad, >>> but that's not the same thing. I'm still using windows Xp; and, as I >>> said, my brailleNote is QWERTY (QT) so the braille grade switching >>> can't >>> apply. I can, however, probably test the Focus. Also, i do have >>> Autoforms Mode enabled in Firefox, so I know that multi-line edits >>> are >>> possible there. Oh, I guess I could try an email from gmail, then. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Grant Hardy" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Problem with JAWS BrailleIn >>> >>> >>>> Hi Flor, no the forms mode issue isn't what I'm referring to - this >>>> doesn't happen to me. Are you sure that in fact you are using the >>>> correct BrailleNote drivers which support BrailleIn? If you're not, >>>> then you won't be able to type in grade two Braille and the letters >>>> will do other things (i.e. I believe the letter A will switch >>>> Braille >>>> display modes). I have a feeling this is what is probably going on >>>> because the BrailleNote has a full Braille keyboard so should in >>>> fact >>>> be fully adapted for use with BrailleIn. You have to download the >>>> signed drivers from the Humanware website. They work with both the >>>> BrailleNote Apex and mPower. >>>> >>>> I have a BrailleNote Apex and an older mPower and both experience an >>>> odd issue where two new lines do not appear properly when I press >>>> ENTER twice. BrailleIn otherwise works great. Can you try typing a >>>> sentence, doing two new lines, and then type another sentence? Be >>>> sure >>>> you're in a multiline edit field in Internet Explorer and feel free >>>> to >>>> try either on your BrailleNote or your Focus. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Grant >>>> >>>> On 7/22/12, Flor Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Grant, >>>>> >>>>> Which brailleNote, in either case? I also have an MPower 32 (QT), >>>>> which >>>>> is not very adapted towards braille input anyway: although using >>>>> Windows >>>>> Xp. In internet Explorer I prefer not to use AutoForms Mode. So >>>>> then >>>>> if >>>>> I press enter I'm taken out of Forms Mode. Is the Forms Mode (or >>>>> AutoForms Mode) scenario what you mean? or something else? >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Grant Hardy" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 6:26 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Problem with JAWS BrailleIn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Interesting, Flor. Can you also try that in Internet Explorer? >>>>>> This >>>>>> seems to be where the problem is most prevalent. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you don't experience it then maybe it's simply a problem with >>>>>> BrailleNotes (I've used two BrailleNotes, and two different >>>>>> computers, >>>>>> and still see the problem). >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Grant >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/22/12, Flor Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> This is being brailled with the Focus 40 Blue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is after pressing its enter key twice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Grant Hardy" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 12:37 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Problem with JAWS BrailleIn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a problem with the JAWS BrailleIn feature. I'm running >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> latest build of JAWS 13, and Windows 7 Ultimate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The problem is when I try to quickly insert two new line >>>>>>>> characters >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> my Braille display by pressing ENTER twice in succession. Rather >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> inserting the two new lines, JAWS instead exhibits some weird >>>>>>>> behaviour which is difficult to explain. It usually inserts one >>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>> line character as requested, but doesn't insert the other. >>>>>>>> Instead, >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> notice that either my cursor has been moved slightly, or there's >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> random space that has appeared somewhere on the new line, or >>>>>>>> both >>>>>>>> things happen. Again, it's the weirdest thing and very difficult >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> explain. But basically, I can't insert two new line characters >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> row properly. The only way is to insert a new line, type some >>>>>>>> text, >>>>>>>> move my cursor back, and then insert the other new line. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At the moment I'm using a Humanware BrailleNote as my Braille >>>>>>>> display, >>>>>>>> so it's very possible that the behaviour is specific to the >>>>>>>> Humanware >>>>>>>> displays. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Has anyone experienced any odd behaviour like this with any >>>>>>>> model >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Braille display? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Grant >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>>> >>>> >>>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >>> >> >> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: >> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ >> > > > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: > http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ > For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
