Hi Steve,
Here is what you do to make IE your default browser in Windows 10. Hold down
the Windows key and press I to open up settings. Next, press enter on
system. Next, down arrow to default programs. Press enter on default
programs. Tab to where it says that Edge is your default and press space bar
on that. Tab one more time and you will be in a list of browsers that are
installed on your computer. Just choose IE in that list and press the space
bar and exit settings. Take care.
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: getting past the jawiths home use window (Mike B.)
2. Re: deleting an account (Mike)
3. Re: deleting an account (Kimsan)
4. IE on Windows 10 (Steve Cook)
5. Re: IE on Windows 10 (Kevin)
6. Re: VLC Player (jim)
7. Re: getting past the jawiths home use window (Londa Peterson)
8. Re: upgrading windows 10 questions (jim)
9. Re: issue for portable jaws (Mike O'Brien)
10. Re: upgrading windows 10 questions (jim)
11. Re: Tablets & Jaws (Londa Peterson)
12. Re: Tablets & Jaws (Tom)
13. Re: upgrading windows 10 questions (jim)
14. Re: IE on Windows 10 (jim)
15. Jaws 16 and windows 7 with Sirius xm radio online (Troy Burnham)
16. Re: JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
(Rose Combs)
17. Re: JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
(Eric Damery)
18. Re: Windows update (Daniel)
19. Re: Beta form automation (Rose Combs)
20. Re: Beta form automation (Daniel)
21. Re: Beta form automation (Daniel)
22. scripts for goldwave (Mario)
23. Re: How do I set Microsoft Word 2010 to default settings?
(Jo Luland)
24. Re: Small problem with the jaws 17 beta release in reading
emails (Rose Combs)
25. Re: Windows update (randy tijerina)
26. Re: when upgrading from win7 to win10 (hwolcott)
27. Selecting / Copying Groups Of Text In Notepad (Mike B.)
28. Re: upgrading windows 10 questions (Desyree)
29. Re: JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
(Rose Combs)
30. Re: JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
(Rose Combs)
31. Re: Selecting / Copying Groups Of Text In Notepad
(George Martinez CPA)
32. Re: JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
(Eric Damery)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 05:44:15 -0700
From: "Mike B." <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] getting past the jawiths home use window
Message-ID: <005201d0f46b$39d91370$8b01a8c0@MikePC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Petras,
Try the following:
1. Alt + Tab, to the Jaws window.
2. Press, Alt + the letter O, to open options.
3. Press enter on, Basics.
4. Tab to, Run Jaws from the system tray checkbox unchecked, & press the
spacebar to check this box.
5. Tab to, Okay, press enter to save your change & close Jaws options
6. Restart Jaws or your computer for the change to take afect.
HTH
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: petras
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] getting past the jawiths home use window
How do I do that? I need to reinstal windows clean.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike B." <[email protected]
To: <[email protected]
Date sent: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:09:19 -0700
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] getting past the jawiths home use
window
Hi Petras,
Have you tried running Jaws from the system tray to see if that
helps?
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool. Go Dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: petras
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] getting past the jawiths home use
window
I dont get why I have to do that. This used to not apply in the
previous build.
----- Original Message -----
From: valiant8086 <[email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date sent: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 19:56:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] getting past the jawiths home use
window
Hi.
This is no different than previous versions, you can't tab around
in the
jaws window like you can with window-eyes and cobra and narrator.
In the jaws home use window, use the alt key to go to the menu
bar. You
should be able to get the options menu from there. Likely it'll
be the
first menu you get, so you ought to be able to press alt, and
then press
enter to open the options menu. Is this what you're looking for?
Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.2.0 portable
On 9/20/2015 7:05 PM, petras wrote:
Hi, I am having trouble accessing the jaws options after the
latest
windows build. When I click on jaws, it takes me to "Jaws home
use
edition and when I tab, I get nothing. I naeed help!
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 07:47:09 -0500
From: "Mike" <[email protected]>
To: "'jaws-users'" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] deleting an account
Message-ID: <4150BDE222BD425F818483C2EBBBF0C0@Desktop>
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Hi Kimsan,
These folders which you are referring to are the default folders that are
created when you create an Email account, and I do not believe that you can
delete them. Also, since you have configured the messages from this account
to be redirected to the inbox of your other account, if you now delete the
entire account, you will stop receiving all Emails for that account. The
best that you ccan possibly do, is to "close" the main folder for the
account, the one that reads, "Gmail (your user name)", and just skip over it
when in your mail client.
Mike
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:46 PM
To: 'jaws-users'
Subject: [JAWS-Users] deleting an account
Hi,
Here is my situation, I have two email addresses, and I was able to
configure both as pop.
However, I have two inboxes. One for each email account. I changed the
delivery location for one email, so now both email accounts will deliver
emails to one inbox. So now that is done, the other email address is still
there when I navigate down the folder list in outlook 2013 and has it's
inbox, drafts, sent folders etc. Am I able to hide or remove that?
Thank you
Kimsan Song
[email protected]
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 06:37:17 -0700
From: "Kimsan" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] deleting an account
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I managed to resolve the issue last night.
I ended up importing the data file for my gmail pst over to my charter.pst
and after doing that I was able to delete/remove the account with the
folders you mentioned.
Now, when I navigate down the list, I am not hearing the gmail stuff.
Kimsan Song
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:47 AM
To: 'jaws-users' <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] deleting an account
Hi Kimsan,
These folders which you are referring to are the default folders that are
created when you create an Email account, and I do not believe that you can
delete them. Also, since you have configured the messages from this account
to be redirected to the inbox of your other account, if you now delete the
entire account, you will stop receiving all Emails for that account. The
best that you ccan possibly do, is to "close" the main folder for the
account, the one that reads, "Gmail (your user name)", and just skip over it
when in your mail client.
Mike
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:46 PM
To: 'jaws-users'
Subject: [JAWS-Users] deleting an account
Hi,
Here is my situation, I have two email addresses, and I was able to
configure both as pop.
However, I have two inboxes. One for each email account. I changed the
delivery location for one email, so now both email accounts will deliver
emails to one inbox. So now that is done, the other email address is still
there when I navigate down the folder list in outlook 2013 and has it's
inbox, drafts, sent folders etc. Am I able to hide or remove that?
Thank you
Kimsan Song
[email protected]
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:28:17 +0000
From: Steve Cook <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: [JAWS-Users] IE on Windows 10
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi All,
Would someone please remind me on how to set IE as the default internet
browser? Thanks in advance!
Steve Cook
July is Fireworks Safety Month. Eye injuries from fireworks can be
traumatic. Prevent Blindness America estimates that there are over 2000 eye
related injuries caused by fireworks each year. The South Carolina
Commission for the Blind encourages you to use caution around fireworks. Let
the professionals handle them! For more information about how the SC
Commission for the Blind can help you or a loved one, please visit us at
www.sccb.state.sc.us or give us a call at 803-898-8731.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 07:45:20 -0700
From: "Kevin" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] IE on Windows 10
Message-ID: <2AABD99FC77D420AB28758E1320A9030@DESKTOP9GDN0UO>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Press windows key+I, for settings.
Press enter on system.
arrow down to default apps, press enter.
Tab 7 times, across and make your changes to various default programs.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Cook
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JAWS-Users] IE on Windows 10
Hi All,
Would someone please remind me on how to set IE as the default internet
browser? Thanks in advance!
Steve Cook
July is Fireworks Safety Month. Eye injuries from fireworks can be
traumatic. Prevent Blindness America estimates that there are over 2000 eye
related injuries caused by fireworks each year. The South Carolina
Commission for the Blind encourages you to use caution around fireworks. Let
the professionals handle them! For more information about how the SC
Commission for the Blind can help you or a loved one, please visit us at
www.sccb.state.sc.us or give us a call at 803-898-8731.
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 10:55:33 -0400
From: "jim" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] VLC Player
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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Yes, it is...
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From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES)
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JAWS-Users] VLC Player
Hello all,
Does anyone know if VLC Player is accessible with JAWS please?
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:08:05 -0400
From: "Londa Peterson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] getting past the jawiths home use window
Message-ID: <001701d0f47f$515cbb00$f4163100$@org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
You were probably running JAWS from the system tray. Go to the options menu
and then to basics. Check the box that says "run JAWS from system tray" and
use the space bar to check it. Then tab to ok and press enter. You will need
to restart JAWS for the setting to work. Now when you press insert J, you
will go right to the menu.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of petras
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] getting past the jawiths home use window
I dont get why I have to do that. This used to not apply in the
previous build.
----- Original Message -----
From: valiant8086 <[email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date sent: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 19:56:52 -0400
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] getting past the jawiths home use
window
Hi.
This is no different than previous versions, you can't tab around
in the
jaws window like you can with window-eyes and cobra and narrator.
In the jaws home use window, use the alt key to go to the menu
bar. You
should be able to get the options menu from there. Likely it'll
be the
first menu you get, so you ought to be able to press alt, and
then press
enter to open the options menu. Is this what you're looking for?
Cheers, Aaron Spears, general Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates
Developing "very good audiogames" for the blind community
http://valiantGalaxy.com Sent with Thunderbird 38.2.0 portable
On 9/20/2015 7:05 PM, petras wrote:
Hi, I am having trouble accessing the jaws options after the
latest
windows build. When I click on jaws, it takes me to "Jaws home
use
edition and when I tab, I get nothing. I naeed help!
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:18:19 -0400
From: "jim" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Message-ID: <F56DC661460041B88D26CC5A9730DE4A@JimPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
Hi Lynn,
Yes, you should uninstall and reinstall Jaws 16 or 17, after upgrading to
w-10.
There are places where it will not work well in w-10, Jaws needs to be
freshly installed.
Keep your shared components and keep your settings.
After reinstalling jaws, you do not have to restart your computer.
There are two settings you need to check.
Reset your short cut key for Jaws, Control+ALT+j.
Make sure that Jaws is checked, to come on at the log on screen.
All your other settings will remain as they were.
Hope this helps...
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn White
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 10:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
My version of Jaws came back up just fine. Is it still necessary to go
on the FS page and reinstall?
Thanks.
On 9/20/2015 7:04 PM, Alan Robbins wrote:
Jim,
Thanks, actually the initial question was submitted by
Dacia. I answered part of her question. Maybe time for more
coffee (smile)
Best,
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
jim
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 7:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Hi Al, The answer is Yes, you need to reinstall Jaws 16
after upgrading to w-10.
Here are the instructions again, I highly recommend
following them for a smooth upgrade experience.
*Upgrading to Windows 10 with jaws 16.
go to:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Wi
ndows10Upgrade
Download the tool called utility tool, leave it in your
download folder.
Download jaws 16.0.4350, leave it in your download folder
for future use.
Download the Microsoft media creation tool at:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On this web page, Go to download link now 64 bit version or
32 bit version depending on what system you have.
Download the tool and save it to your download folder for
future use.
Leave all three of these downloads in your download folder.
Now, if you have not reserved windows 10, please do so.
press enter on the get windows 10 icon in the notification
area.
go down the page and fill in your email address ext. this
gives you a verification email.
Now, restart your computer.
check for updates, install any updates, restart to make sure
you have all the latest updates.
Now you are ready to begin the upgrade to windows 10.
Run the jaws utility tool, this will get rid of any jaws
fragmented files and so on from your system.
Run the media creation tool.
yes, for your users account warning.
Choose, update this computer now and press enter.
you are now in an ongoing and updating dialog which says:
Windows 10 is being downloaded, continue using your
computer.
This could take anywhere between 30 to 60 minutes, depending
on your download speed.
When it is done downloading, it will go through several
screens itself updating your computer and will get it ready
for windows 10.
Next, there will be a screen asking you to except the
license agreement, check the yes and press enter on next.
Again, the program will run through several screens by
itself.
Next, press enter on install.
now you will have no speech, this install takes 45 to 60
minutes to complete.
After 1 hour, press the Windows key+enter key to turn on
narrator.
Wait for a few minutes if it does not come on right away.
Almost done.
press the next button.
choose express settings.
press the next button.
if done right, in about 10 to 15 minutes, jaws will come on
talking on the desktop.
very important, uninstall jaws.
Keep shared settings and personal settings.
Reinstall jaws, no need for a restart here, jaws will come
on talking with all your settings, except for 2 of them.
Redo your shortcut key, control+ALT+j.
Redo the setting to have jaws come on at the log-on screen.
For whatever reason if the media tool fails the first time.
Check for updates, restart, and run the tool again.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Robbins
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
The answer to question #2, from my understanding monitoring
the windows 10 and jaws list, is no.
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Dacia Cole
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list
Subject: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Hi,
I have a couple of questions about upgrading to windows 10.
I've finally been asked to upgrade from windows 8.1 to
windows 10 today.
One, how do I do a system backup to my external hardrive?
Second, do I have to reinstall JAWS once I upgrade to 10?
I'm currently using windows 8.1 with JAWS 16 on a Lenovo
laptop.
thanks,
Dacia
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:19:50 -0400
From: "Mike O'Brien" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Hi
You can put both the 32 bit and the 64 bit versions of JAWS portable on the
same thumb drive assuming it's large enough to hold them. For JAWS 15
portable, it looks like the download files and the extracted files will need
around 200 MEG. After you've downloaded both the 32 bit and the 64 bit
files from FS, copy them to the thumb drive. Now press enter on one of the
downloaded files. The first screen that appears asks where you want to
extract the files to. The default is the high-level folder of the thumb
drive. Assuming you chose the 32 bit version, tab once and you'll be on an
edit box that specifies the high level folder of the thumb drive (Drive
Letter colon backslash). Press the end key to move past the backslash and
enter a folder name such as JAWS15-32. Then tab to the next button and
press enter. Now all of the JAWS portable files for the version you chose
will be placed in the folder you specified. Now repeat the steps above to
extract the files for the other version and specify a folder name like
JAWS15-64, assuming you are now installing the 64 bit version. Using
Windows 7, I don't believe I've ever seen an auto run dialog popup
automatically. So I create a startup file in the thumb drive high-level
folder to start JAWS portable. In the high-level folder create a DOS batch
file with a name like JAWS15.bat. The file extension must be .bat. Now
position on the newly created file and press the applications key or
shift+f10 to bring up the context menu. Arrow down one time to edit and
press enter to open. Now copy the 6 lines that follow and paste them into
the open batch file. Make sure the folder name in the batch file match what
you named the folders. Then press control+s to save and alt+f4 to close.
@echo off
if "#%programFiles(x86)%#" neq "##" (
start JAWS15-64\jfw.exe
goto :eof
)
start JAWS15-32\jfw.exe
This batch file will start the appropriate 32 or 64 bit version of JAWS
portable. Now all you'll need to start JAWS portable is the drive letter
where the thumb drive is installed. If the thumb drive opens when the thumb
drive is inserted, move to the batch file and ;press enter, or press Windows
key+r for the run dialog, type Drive letter colon backslash batch file
name.bat.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 03:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws
Hello George:
I have read the instructions from the link you provided. I pasted them into
a word document, for easy access.
However, I have two questions:
1. Since we never know whether we will be trying to use the thumb drive on
a 32 or 64 bit computer, how does one know which one to download to the
thumb drive?
2. Secondly, it seems to me that a sighted person needs to be available,
when the thumb drive is plugged into the second computer. Otherwise, we
never know whether the auto run dialogue appears. Is that correct?
Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 4:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws
Ravi,
Go to the following web page. Here it has the instructions written out on
the web page, and the download links for the JAWS USB applications, and the
Video Intercept files. Download the appropriate ones for the computers that
you will be using JAWS on. The instructions are fairly simple, and you
should get them in one or two readings. If not, then copy them and paste
them into a text document.
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/Jaws/JawsMagicUSBDownloads
Mike
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: Ravi Paswan
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 10:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JAWS-Users] issue for portable jaws
tel me friend how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
because I have read some information from jaws website
www.freedomscientific.com and download sub menue.
but I am follow the all stap but it is not make it.
so tel me friend some thing extra about this matter.
that how to creat a portable copy of jaws.
if be posible my dear friend please kindly send me a tutorial audio and
text to creat a portable copy of jaws.
thank you.
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:26:00 -0400
From: "jim" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Message-ID: <5E8B28E8727848FA8C0BF838BC94901E@JimPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Hi Dacia,
If you follow my step by step instruction on the previous email.
You should have no problems.
As far as backing up.
go to your, users folder on your C: drive.
Do a copy, Control+c.
Go to your external drive main tree, press Control+v, to paste your users
file there as a backup of your files...
c
-----Original Message-----
From: Dacia Cole
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 9:50 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Okay,
Thank you so much. So do I still need to download the utility tool
and such even though I don't need to download JAWS as I'm running the
latest version of JAWS 16?
thanks,
Dacia
On 9/20/15, Scorpio Forever <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Dacia,
Windows has a fairly good back-up utility that is very reliable. You can
choose to make a back-up of your files, settings, or a complete image
back-up of your computer, including operating system, settings, files and
apps.
There's a web page that gives you step by step instructions on how to do
this below.
Hope this helps.
http://www.windowscentral.com/how-make-full-backup-windows-pc
Scorpio
-----Original Message-----
From: Dacia Cole
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Yes,
Thank you for the detailed instructions I found them very helpful. I
plan to upgrade soon. The part of my question that didn't get
answered is how to do a system backup so I can back all my stuff up on
to my external hardrive in case my upgrade goes crazy and I lose
things? I don't anticipate that, but you know how computers can be.
(smiles)
thanks,
Dacia
On 9/20/15, Alan Robbins <[email protected]> wrote:
Jim,
Thanks, actually the initial question was submitted by
Dacia. I answered part of her question. Maybe time for more
coffee (smile)
Best,
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
jim
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 7:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Hi Al, The answer is Yes, you need to reinstall Jaws 16
after upgrading to w-10.
Here are the instructions again, I highly recommend
following them for a smooth upgrade experience.
*Upgrading to Windows 10 with jaws 16.
go to:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Wi
ndows10Upgrade
Download the tool called utility tool, leave it in your
download folder.
Download jaws 16.0.4350, leave it in your download folder
for future use.
Download the Microsoft media creation tool at:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On this web page, Go to download link now 64 bit version or
32 bit version depending on what system you have.
Download the tool and save it to your download folder for
future use.
Leave all three of these downloads in your download folder.
Now, if you have not reserved windows 10, please do so.
press enter on the get windows 10 icon in the notification
area.
go down the page and fill in your email address ext. this
gives you a verification email.
Now, restart your computer.
check for updates, install any updates, restart to make sure
you have all the latest updates.
Now you are ready to begin the upgrade to windows 10.
Run the jaws utility tool, this will get rid of any jaws
fragmented files and so on from your system.
Run the media creation tool.
yes, for your users account warning.
Choose, update this computer now and press enter.
you are now in an ongoing and updating dialog which says:
Windows 10 is being downloaded, continue using your
computer.
This could take anywhere between 30 to 60 minutes, depending
on your download speed.
When it is done downloading, it will go through several
screens itself updating your computer and will get it ready
for windows 10.
Next, there will be a screen asking you to except the
license agreement, check the yes and press enter on next.
Again, the program will run through several screens by
itself.
Next, press enter on install.
now you will have no speech, this install takes 45 to 60
minutes to complete.
After 1 hour, press the Windows key+enter key to turn on
narrator.
Wait for a few minutes if it does not come on right away.
Almost done.
press the next button.
choose express settings.
press the next button.
if done right, in about 10 to 15 minutes, jaws will come on
talking on the desktop.
very important, uninstall jaws.
Keep shared settings and personal settings.
Reinstall jaws, no need for a restart here, jaws will come
on talking with all your settings, except for 2 of them.
Redo your shortcut key, control+ALT+j.
Redo the setting to have jaws come on at the log-on screen.
For whatever reason if the media tool fails the first time.
Check for updates, restart, and run the tool again.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Robbins
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
The answer to question #2, from my understanding monitoring
the windows 10 and jaws list, is no.
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Dacia Cole
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list
Subject: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Hi,
I have a couple of questions about upgrading to windows 10.
I've finally been asked to upgrade from windows 8.1 to
windows 10 today.
One, how do I do a system backup to my external hardrive?
Second, do I have to reinstall JAWS once I upgrade to 10?
I'm currently using windows 8.1 with JAWS 16 on a Lenovo
laptop.
thanks,
Dacia
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list
visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list
visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list
visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
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For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
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For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
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For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:26:39 -0400
From: "Londa Peterson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Tablets & Jaws
Message-ID: <002401d0f481$e97609d0$bc621d70$@org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Alan, It didn't look like this question got answered. To use the touch
screen on your tablet, just start touching the screen. You only have to
activate the touch cursor if you want to use keyboard commands to simulate
touch gestures. I've gotten myself out of many a jam that way.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:20 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Tablets & Jaws
The following info is for JAWS 17 beta:
New in JAWS Touch Screen Support
Since JAWS 15, users have had the ability to interact with
the touch screens found on various devices like the Dell
Venue series of Windows tablets. Using one and multi-finger
gestures such as taps, flicks, and swipes, users navigate to
and activate controls, read text, and perform other common
JAWS functions. In JAWS 17, we have continued to enhance
touch screen support by providing access to the Windows
touch keyboard as well as adding the ability to edit and
select text in documents, messages, or web pages right from
the touch screen.
Support for the Windows Touch Keyboard
JAWS 17 offers full support for the Windows touch keyboard,
enabling you to write documents, email messages, and fill
out forms on the Internet right on your device's touch
screen if you do not have access to a physical keyboard.
While a regular keyboard is still recommended for writing
lengthy documents or performing complex editing tasks, using
the Touch keyboard is convenient for writing a quick note,
composing or replying to an email, or filling out a form on
a web site.
To activate the Touch Keyboard, double tap the Start Touch
Keyboard button on the Desktop, or perform the new JAWS
gesture, four-finger swipe down then up. JAWS announces
"opened Touch Keyboard" and plays an ascending sound. Once
enabled, the keyboard is positioned in the bottom part of
the screen and each key is represented by a button. Use
flick gestures to move to each key, or drag your finger
around the screen to explore and locate keys. While
exploring, JAWS plays a unique set of sounds to alert you
when you enter or leave the area of the screen containing
the touch keyboard. Once you become familiar with the touch
keyboard layout, you can tap at the location of each key. To
close the touch keyboard, perform another four-finger swipe
down then up. JAWS announces "closed touch keyboard" and
plays a descending sound.
JAWS offers two different modes for typing characters:
* Standard Typing: A key is typed when a double tap or
split tap is performed on the screen after exploring to any
of the keyboard buttons. If alternative characters are
available for the current keyboard button, a triple tap will
open a panel of alternative keys related to the selected
key. Performing a triple tap on any keyboard button in the
alternative characters panel will close the panel. Standard
Typing is the default mode.
* Touch Typing: A key is typed when the finger is
lifted from any of the keyboard buttons, or a split tap is
performed on the selected keyboard button. If alternative
characters are available for the current keyboard button, a
split double tap will open a panel of alternative keys
related to the selected key. Performing a split double tap
on any keyboard button in the alternative characters panel
will close the panel.
Use the new Touch Keyboard settings group located in the
main Keyboard group in Settings center to change the typing
mode as well as choose whether JAWS announces characters,
words, both characters and words, or is silent as you type
using the touch keyboard. You can also change how you are
notified when the touch keyboard or the panel of alternate
characters opens and closes.
Note: Changing the feedback for the touch keyboard is
separate from the feedback for the physical keyboard. This
means you can have JAWS say nothing when using a regular
keyboard, but continue to announce both characters and words
when using the touch keyboard.
My question is, does one need to do something to get the
tablet in touch screen mode or is it automatic?
Best,
Al
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 10:28:42 -0500
From: "Tom" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Tablets & Jaws
Message-ID: <E95B739E37254A7FA1B8F6A524F45CC7@tclary10PC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
most tablets have blue tooth access
-----Original Message-----
From: Londa Peterson
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Tablets & Jaws
Hi Alan, It didn't look like this question got answered. To use the touch
screen on your tablet, just start touching the screen. You only have to
activate the touch cursor if you want to use keyboard commands to simulate
touch gestures. I've gotten myself out of many a jam that way.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:20 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Tablets & Jaws
The following info is for JAWS 17 beta:
New in JAWS Touch Screen Support
Since JAWS 15, users have had the ability to interact with
the touch screens found on various devices like the Dell
Venue series of Windows tablets. Using one and multi-finger
gestures such as taps, flicks, and swipes, users navigate to
and activate controls, read text, and perform other common
JAWS functions. In JAWS 17, we have continued to enhance
touch screen support by providing access to the Windows
touch keyboard as well as adding the ability to edit and
select text in documents, messages, or web pages right from
the touch screen.
Support for the Windows Touch Keyboard
JAWS 17 offers full support for the Windows touch keyboard,
enabling you to write documents, email messages, and fill
out forms on the Internet right on your device's touch
screen if you do not have access to a physical keyboard.
While a regular keyboard is still recommended for writing
lengthy documents or performing complex editing tasks, using
the Touch keyboard is convenient for writing a quick note,
composing or replying to an email, or filling out a form on
a web site.
To activate the Touch Keyboard, double tap the Start Touch
Keyboard button on the Desktop, or perform the new JAWS
gesture, four-finger swipe down then up. JAWS announces
"opened Touch Keyboard" and plays an ascending sound. Once
enabled, the keyboard is positioned in the bottom part of
the screen and each key is represented by a button. Use
flick gestures to move to each key, or drag your finger
around the screen to explore and locate keys. While
exploring, JAWS plays a unique set of sounds to alert you
when you enter or leave the area of the screen containing
the touch keyboard. Once you become familiar with the touch
keyboard layout, you can tap at the location of each key. To
close the touch keyboard, perform another four-finger swipe
down then up. JAWS announces "closed touch keyboard" and
plays a descending sound.
JAWS offers two different modes for typing characters:
* Standard Typing: A key is typed when a double tap or
split tap is performed on the screen after exploring to any
of the keyboard buttons. If alternative characters are
available for the current keyboard button, a triple tap will
open a panel of alternative keys related to the selected
key. Performing a triple tap on any keyboard button in the
alternative characters panel will close the panel. Standard
Typing is the default mode.
* Touch Typing: A key is typed when the finger is
lifted from any of the keyboard buttons, or a split tap is
performed on the selected keyboard button. If alternative
characters are available for the current keyboard button, a
split double tap will open a panel of alternative keys
related to the selected key. Performing a split double tap
on any keyboard button in the alternative characters panel
will close the panel.
Use the new Touch Keyboard settings group located in the
main Keyboard group in Settings center to change the typing
mode as well as choose whether JAWS announces characters,
words, both characters and words, or is silent as you type
using the touch keyboard. You can also change how you are
notified when the touch keyboard or the panel of alternate
characters opens and closes.
Note: Changing the feedback for the touch keyboard is
separate from the feedback for the physical keyboard. This
means you can have JAWS say nothing when using a regular
keyboard, but continue to announce both characters and words
when using the touch keyboard.
My question is, does one need to do something to get the
tablet in touch screen mode or is it automatic?
Best,
Al
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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:50:21 -0400
From: "jim" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Message-ID: <BC17FC38AFFD4D79929C461BA407F2D7@JimPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
reply-type=response
Hi Scorpio,
Jaws will work OK, but not as well as it should, unless you install it new
and fresh in w-10.
I speak from experience.
I have upgraded two w-7, and two w-8.1 computers, from beginning to end.
This includes customizing them as well.
The Start button, and search edit field, and the live tile region are
effected negatively, unless you reinstall Jaws.
I have assisted in many other upgrades.
Do not tell me I am wrong, Microsoft recommends, any users of Screen reading
software, to uninstall and reinstall them.
So, if you want a smooth running w-10 computer with Jaws 16 or 17, you
should follow Microsoft recommendation.
Just helping people get the most out of w-10 with Jaws...
How much experience do you have in upgrading computers to w-10?
When I give out instructions, I try to give them out as if everyone was on
their own with no sited help.
I have a great respect for those who are making it alone.
Each day is a challenge for all blind people, more so, when you are alone.
So, I research my answers when I give a step by step guide, as if each blind
person were doing the steps by themselves with no sited help.
This way hopefully, they will not have any problems.
So, again, its not a matter of being right about reinstalling Jaws, it?s a
matter of getting max performance out of Jaws 16 and 17 on your w-10
computer.
Have a nice day...
-----Original Message-----
From: Scorpio Forever
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Hi Jim,
Your information is incorrect.
Since he is using Windows 8.1, he only need download and install the latest
version of Jaws 16, then install Windows 10.
No need to re-install Jaws 16 once the Windows 10 is complete, as it should
come up working after the installation.
You're thinking about Windows 7, of which he is not using.
Hope this helps.
Scorpio
-----Original Message-----
From: jim
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 7:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Hi Al, The answer is Yes, you need to reinstall Jaws 16 after upgrading to
w-10.
Here are the instructions again, I highly recommend following them for a
smooth upgrade experience.
*Upgrading to Windows 10 with jaws 16.
go to:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade
Download the tool called utility tool, leave it in your download folder.
Download jaws 16.0.4350, leave it in your download folder for future use.
Download the Microsoft media creation tool at:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On this web page, Go to download link now 64 bit version or 32 bit version
depending on what system you have.
Download the tool and save it to your download folder for future use.
Leave all three of these downloads in your download folder.
Now, if you have not reserved windows 10, please do so.
press enter on the get windows 10 icon in the notification area.
go down the page and fill in your email address ext. this gives you a
verification email.
Now, restart your computer.
check for updates, install any updates, restart to make sure you have all
the latest updates.
Now you are ready to begin the upgrade to windows 10.
Run the jaws utility tool, this will get rid of any jaws fragmented files
and so on from your system.
Run the media creation tool.
yes, for your users account warning.
Choose, update this computer now and press enter.
you are now in an ongoing and updating dialog which says:
Windows 10 is being downloaded, continue using your computer.
This could take anywhere between 30 to 60 minutes, depending on your
download speed.
When it is done downloading, it will go through several screens itself
updating your computer and will get it ready for windows 10.
Next, there will be a screen asking you to except the license agreement,
check the yes and press enter on next.
Again, the program will run through several screens by itself.
Next, press enter on install.
now you will have no speech, this install takes 45 to 60 minutes to
complete.
After 1 hour, press the Windows key+enter key to turn on narrator.
Wait for a few minutes if it does not come on right away.
Almost done.
press the next button.
choose express settings.
press the next button.
if done right, in about 10 to 15 minutes, jaws will come on talking on the
desktop.
very important, uninstall jaws.
Keep shared settings and personal settings.
Reinstall jaws, no need for a restart here, jaws will come on talking with
all your settings, except for 2 of them.
Redo your shortcut key, control+ALT+j.
Redo the setting to have jaws come on at the log-on screen.
For whatever reason if the media tool fails the first time.
Check for updates, restart, and run the tool again.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Robbins
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
The answer to question #2, from my understanding monitoring
the windows 10 and jaws list, is no.
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Dacia Cole
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list
Subject: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Hi,
I have a couple of questions about upgrading to windows 10.
I've finally been asked to upgrade from windows 8.1 to
windows 10 today.
One, how do I do a system backup to my external hardrive?
Second, do I have to reinstall JAWS once I upgrade to 10?
I'm currently using windows 8.1 with JAWS 16 on a Lenovo
laptop.
thanks,
Dacia
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list
visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:15:03 -0400
From: "jim" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] IE on Windows 10
Message-ID: <2598242F3A674BF6AEAA039E6451D522@JimPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Hi Steve,
Here is my instructions on customizing w-10, which includes default
programs.
*After reinstalling Jaws 16 or 17, I would check the following areas on the
windows 10 computer.
First of all, I would check my default programs.
windows key+I, enter on system, arrow down to default apps and press enter.
Tab too, Default browser, which by default will be Edge.
Press the spacebar on The Edge, tab to IE, press enter or spacebar, to make
it your default.
Also as you tab across this page, you can set your email client, Music
player and other defaults programs.
Turn off all of the background apps you will not be using, all are on by
default.
windows key+I, go to privacy and press enter.
Go down to back ground apps and press enter.
Tab across and uncheck most of these apps.
Each time you uncheck one of them it will kick you back to the home button,
just tab back to the next app in the list.
Also, make sure you turn off letting other computers to receive updates from
your computer, this will slow down IE and your computer.
Windows key+I, go to update and security and press enter.
Tab to advanced options and press enter.
Tab four times too, choose how your updates are delivered and press enter.
Make sure when you tab that this sharing feature of updates is turned off,
this will effect your computers performance.
Microsoft leaves all these back ground things on by default.
One more area to check is your live tiles.
Press enter on the start button, down arrow to your apps, right and left, up
and down arrow around in them.
Press the application key, you will have different choices.
For example:
Turn off live tile, if you are not using them I would turn them off.
You can also, Unpin apps from the start list.
resize sub menu, small, medium, and large which is wide.
Another area to check is the All Apps list:
Press enter on the start button, up arrow to All Apps, press enter.
Down arrow through All the apps in the start button region.
Press the applications key on any app you wish to uninstall, arrow down to
uninstall and press enter, press the spacebar to confirm.
Some apps are built into w-10, you can not uninstall them.
all these things combined will slow down your computer.
I hope this helps...
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Cook
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JAWS-Users] IE on Windows 10
Hi All,
Would someone please remind me on how to set IE as the default internet
browser? Thanks in advance!
Steve Cook
July is Fireworks Safety Month. Eye injuries from fireworks can be
traumatic. Prevent Blindness America estimates that there are over 2000 eye
related injuries caused by fireworks each year. The South Carolina
Commission for the Blind encourages you to use caution around fireworks. Let
the professionals handle them! For more information about how the SC
Commission for the Blind can help you or a loved one, please visit us at
www.sccb.state.sc.us or give us a call at 803-898-8731.
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:13:39 -0500
From: "Troy Burnham" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 16 and windows 7 with Sirius xm radio
online
Message-ID: <002501d0f488$7adb8200$0200a8c0@TroyPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Has anybody tried to access sirius-xm online stations with windows 7 and
jaws 16? I signed up for a trial last week but haven't been able to get any
further than just logging in. A month or so ago somebody on the list
mentioned that jaws 16 works better with sirius-xm than it has in the past
but it sounded like the person was using windows 10.
Troy
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 09:51:03 -0700
From: "Rose Combs" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you
understand?
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Smart Navigation, my weather page is being read in a much different fashion
than it was an I'd like to change it back but I do not want to lose the
Smart Navigation for my other pages. Is there a way?
Rose Combs
[email protected]
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
I changed the subject line to reflect your question concerning how much we
understand.
Doesn't look like the current smart navigation. Did not notice that
striking certain keys, such as H, would jump from heading to heading.
Looks like we have to do three keystrokes to get the same thing we now get
with one keystroke.
They are talking about doing the keystrokes twice quickly.
Where is the option to have it like it is in windows 7?
Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
Respected friend, here is the detail of smart navigation of jaws 17.
Read and let me know how much have you understood!
Smart Navigation, More Efficient Interaction with Complex Web Pages and
Applications Today and in the future, users will be faced with an increased
need to work with complex web forms, tables, and even applications that run
inside of a web browser. This will impact your day to day interactions with
services on-line such as banking and shopping, in addition to many web apps
found in both companies and government agencies. For instance, Internet
Explorer can be used to log onto a Microsoft SharePoint server to
collaborate with other co-workers and create and store documents. The new
Smart Navigation feature is designed to make it more efficient when
navigating web-based applications with the Virtual Cursor as the LEFT and
RIGHT ARROW or CTRL+LEFT and
CTRL+RIGHT ARROW commands move by control instead of character and word.
This makes navigation such as moving across toolbars, tab strips, and
navigation links more like navigating around a desktop application. Pressing
the Say Character, Say Word, or Say Line commands twice quickly changes to
the traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph
so you can review the text of the control. Smart Navigation resumes when you
press ESC, or move to a different control by pressing UP or DOWN ARROW or
TAB.
For example, if you use the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to move across a tab
strip, you might hear JAWS announce something like; "Home tab selected,"
"Insert tab," and "Page Layout tab." If you wanted to review the items on
the tab strip character by character, press the Say Character (NUM PAD 5),
Say Word (INSERT+NUM PAD 5), or Say Line (INSERT+UP ARROW) commands twice
quickly. You can now navigate by character or word until you press DOWN
ARROW to move away from the tab strip to another control.
Smart Navigation is off by default. To turn it on, do the following:
Press INSERT+F2, select Settings Center, and press ENTER.
Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to open the default settings file if you want to use
Smart Navigation in all web browsers, or open the Internet Explorer or
Firefox settings file.
Type "smart navigation" without the quotes into the Search edit box.
Press DOWN ARROW to move to Smart Navigation in the filtered results of the
Settings Center tree view.
Press the SPACEBAR to choose the Smart Navigation option you want to use.
Press TAB to move to the OK button and activate it with the SPACEBAR. The
changes are made and saved. Settings Center closes.
Alternatively, Smart Navigation can be enabled for all web browsers through
the Startup Wizard, or through Quick Settings (INSERT+V). For instance, you
may want to use Smart Navigation in Firefox, but not in Internet Explorer.
Smart Navigation offers two modes, Controls, and Controls and Tables.
When set to Controls, most web-based controls, including, but not limited
to, buttons, links, edit fields, list boxes, tree views, and headings, are
treated as single units when navigating by character or word. Performing a
Say Character, Say Word, and Say Line command twice quickly while focused on
a control will switch to character and word Navigation so you can use the
traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph to
review a control, such as the text of a button or link, in greater detail.
Smart Navigation by controls automatically resumes when you press ESC, or
move to another control using TAB or UP or DOWN ARROW. If you encounter a
table, you will still use the table reading commands (CTRL+ALT+ARROW keys)
or the Table layer (INSERT+SPACEBAR, t) to navigate the table.
When set to Controls and Tables, navigation is the same as the Controls
option when not in a table. However, if focused inside of a table, the RIGHT
and LEFT ARROW keys move between columns while the UP and DOWN ARROW keys
move between rows. When focused in a cell and it contains any controls, such
as a heading, or an edit field, pressing the Say Character, Say Word, or Say
Line commands twice quickly will switch to control navigation, and
performing these commands again twice quickly will switch to character and
word navigation. If the cell does not contain controls, you can only switch
to character and word navigation. Pressing ESC or moving focus away from the
control or table cell will switch back to the prior navigation level, for
example, pressing ESC while in character and word navigation will return to
Smart Navigation in tables.
When Smart navigation is active, press ALT+DELETE or INSERT+TAB to have JAWS
announce the current Smart Navigation level.
Anytime you are using Smart Navigation, either set to Controls or Controls
and Tables, JAWS will work in Screen Layout. This presents pages in the
virtual buffer similar to how they appear visually on the screen. Toolbar
buttons or other lists of controls that are visually laid out horizontally
on the screen are displayed on one line in the virtual document, allowing a
single press of the DOWN ARROW to skip the entire toolbar instead of having
to move from button to button to get past it.
For a great example, please try JAWS 17 on a web form such as the Web Track
sample form on the Surf's Up pages. On this page, you will be able to see
the power of navigating more efficiently with the DOWN ARROW then in
previous versions.
New Sound Indication for Links
As you navigate by line with Smart Navigation active, JAWS plays a sound if
the current line contains one or more links which would generally be
displayed on separate lines when you are not in Smart Navigation. This sound
helps you identify that a link exists and gives you a chance to pause to
hear about it or use TAB or the ARROW keys to move to it. To keep this sound
from being too intrusive, it is not heard if a line contains a link that is
preceded by less than five characters. For instance, a bulleted or numbered
list that contains a link directly after the number or bullet.
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
Hello Gang:
Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra?
If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation?
Neil
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 16:58:08 +0000
From: Eric Damery <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you
understand?
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
There is. You can use the settings center to tell JAWS that on that
particular domain, you would want to revert from Smart Navigation Controls
and Tables, back to off. Here is the section in the What's New that talks
about that process and how to do it.
Regards,
Eric
Use Settings Center to Configure Settings for a Specific Web Site
In JAWS 17, you can now apply settings changes to a specific web site domain
using Settings Center. For instance, if you use Smart Navigation and you
have a particular web site where you would prefer not to have this feature
active, you can open Settings Center from the current site and turn it off.
Smart Navigation will continue working on all other web sites.
To configure web site specific settings, do the following:
Open the web site where you want settings changes to apply.
Press INSERT+F2, select Settings Center, and press ENTER.
Press SHIFT+TAB to move to the application list and locate Default.
Press DOWN ARROW one time and you should find the name of your current site
followed by (domain). For example, if you open Settings Center from the
Freedom Scientific web site, you should see something like
www.freedomscientific.com (Domain).
While the web site name is selected, press TAB to move to the Search
edit and type all or part of the setting you want to change. For example,
"smart" for Smart Navigation, "Forms" for Forms Mode options, etc.
Press DOWN ARROW to move to the filtered results of the Settings Center
tree view and make your preferred settings changes.
Press TAB to move to the OK button and activate it with the SPACEBAR.
The changes are made and saved. Settings Center closes.
Now, whatever you have set for the current web site should only be applied
when any pages on this site are open and have focus. For example, if you set
Smart Navigation to Controls and Tables for the Freedom Scientific web site,
it should be off for all other web sites which is the default, unless you
are on Freedomscientific.com.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 12:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
Smart Navigation, my weather page is being read in a much different fashion
than it was an I'd like to change it back but I do not want to lose the
Smart Navigation for my other pages. Is there a way?
Rose Combs
[email protected]
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
I changed the subject line to reflect your question concerning how much we
understand.
Doesn't look like the current smart navigation. Did not notice that striking
certain keys, such as H, would jump from heading to heading.
Looks like we have to do three keystrokes to get the same thing we now get
with one keystroke.
They are talking about doing the keystrokes twice quickly.
Where is the option to have it like it is in windows 7?
Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
Respected friend, here is the detail of smart navigation of jaws 17.
Read and let me know how much have you understood!
Smart Navigation, More Efficient Interaction with Complex Web Pages and
Applications Today and in the future, users will be faced with an increased
need to work with complex web forms, tables, and even applications that run
inside of a web browser. This will impact your day to day interactions with
services on-line such as banking and shopping, in addition to many web apps
found in both companies and government agencies. For instance, Internet
Explorer can be used to log onto a Microsoft SharePoint server to
collaborate with other co-workers and create and store documents. The new
Smart Navigation feature is designed to make it more efficient when
navigating web-based applications with the Virtual Cursor as the LEFT and
RIGHT ARROW or CTRL+LEFT and
CTRL+RIGHT ARROW commands move by control instead of character and word.
This makes navigation such as moving across toolbars, tab strips, and
navigation links more like navigating around a desktop application. Pressing
the Say Character, Say Word, or Say Line commands twice quickly changes to
the traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph
so you can review the text of the control. Smart Navigation resumes when you
press ESC, or move to a different control by pressing UP or DOWN ARROW or
TAB.
For example, if you use the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to move across a tab
strip, you might hear JAWS announce something like; "Home tab selected,"
"Insert tab," and "Page Layout tab." If you wanted to review the items on
the tab strip character by character, press the Say Character (NUM PAD 5),
Say Word (INSERT+NUM PAD 5), or Say Line (INSERT+UP ARROW) commands twice
quickly. You can now navigate by character or word until you press DOWN
ARROW to move away from the tab strip to another control.
Smart Navigation is off by default. To turn it on, do the following:
Press INSERT+F2, select Settings Center, and press ENTER.
Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to open the default settings file if you want to use
Smart Navigation in all web browsers, or open the Internet Explorer or
Firefox settings file.
Type "smart navigation" without the quotes into the Search edit box.
Press DOWN ARROW to move to Smart Navigation in the filtered results of the
Settings Center tree view.
Press the SPACEBAR to choose the Smart Navigation option you want to use.
Press TAB to move to the OK button and activate it with the SPACEBAR. The
changes are made and saved. Settings Center closes.
Alternatively, Smart Navigation can be enabled for all web browsers through
the Startup Wizard, or through Quick Settings (INSERT+V). For instance, you
may want to use Smart Navigation in Firefox, but not in Internet Explorer.
Smart Navigation offers two modes, Controls, and Controls and Tables.
When set to Controls, most web-based controls, including, but not limited
to, buttons, links, edit fields, list boxes, tree views, and headings, are
treated as single units when navigating by character or word. Performing a
Say Character, Say Word, and Say Line command twice quickly while focused on
a control will switch to character and word Navigation so you can use the
traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph to
review a control, such as the text of a button or link, in greater detail.
Smart Navigation by controls automatically resumes when you press ESC, or
move to another control using TAB or UP or DOWN ARROW. If you encounter a
table, you will still use the table reading commands (CTRL+ALT+ARROW keys)
or the Table layer (INSERT+SPACEBAR, t) to navigate the table.
When set to Controls and Tables, navigation is the same as the Controls
option when not in a table. However, if focused inside of a table, the RIGHT
and LEFT ARROW keys move between columns while the UP and DOWN ARROW keys
move between rows. When focused in a cell and it contains any controls, such
as a heading, or an edit field, pressing the Say Character, Say Word, or Say
Line commands twice quickly will switch to control navigation, and
performing these commands again twice quickly will switch to character and
word navigation. If the cell does not contain controls, you can only switch
to character and word navigation. Pressing ESC or moving focus away from the
control or table cell will switch back to the prior navigation level, for
example, pressing ESC while in character and word navigation will return to
Smart Navigation in tables.
When Smart navigation is active, press ALT+DELETE or INSERT+TAB to have JAWS
announce the current Smart Navigation level.
Anytime you are using Smart Navigation, either set to Controls or Controls
and Tables, JAWS will work in Screen Layout. This presents pages in the
virtual buffer similar to how they appear visually on the screen. Toolbar
buttons or other lists of controls that are visually laid out horizontally
on the screen are displayed on one line in the virtual document, allowing a
single press of the DOWN ARROW to skip the entire toolbar instead of having
to move from button to button to get past it.
For a great example, please try JAWS 17 on a web form such as the Web Track
sample form on the Surf's Up pages. On this page, you will be able to see
the power of navigating more efficiently with the DOWN ARROW then in
previous versions.
New Sound Indication for Links
As you navigate by line with Smart Navigation active, JAWS plays a sound if
the current line contains one or more links which would generally be
displayed on separate lines when you are not in Smart Navigation. This sound
helps you identify that a link exists and gives you a chance to pause to
hear about it or use TAB or the ARROW keys to move to it. To keep this sound
from being too intrusive, it is not heard if a line contains a link that is
preceded by less than five characters. For instance, a bulleted or numbered
list that contains a link directly after the number or bullet.
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
Hello Gang:
Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra?
If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation?
Neil
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:40:47 -0300
From: "Daniel" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows update
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello randy,
you can find windows update by performing the following steps. 1. Press
windows+I to get to settings. 2. Right arrow to update and security, down
arrow will not work in the settings app. 3. The first item is windows
update. 4. Press enter.5. Windows update will check for any available
updates , if it finds any, they will be downloaded and installed
automatically, on all versions of windows 10, including insider preview
builds, of which I am running the latest, build 10537.
Hope this helps,
Daniel
.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of petras
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 12:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows update
What do you mean that you can't find windows update? Are you saying that you
don't know how to find it or what are you trying to say?
----- Original Message -----
From: randy tijerina <[email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date sent: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 19:18:19 -0500
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows update
Friends. This scares me a little. In Internet Explorer, ...I can't find
windows update...it says..... wuapp.exe windows cannot find wuapp.exe. make
sure you type it in correctly and try again......is it different now?
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 10:44:24 -0700
From: "Rose Combs" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beta form automation
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Canned response. No human.
Rose Combs
[email protected]
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Daniel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 2:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beta form automation
Hello Al,
Here is the response I just received from Freedomscientific suggestions.
Dear Valued Customer:
Thank you for contacting Freedom Scientific. Your e-mail has been received,
and we appreciate your suggestions, which are valuable to us. Due to the
volume of e-mail received at this account, please do not expect another
response unless we need more information or have additional questions.
Sincere Regards,
The Freedom Scientific Product Management Team.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:51 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List <[email protected]>
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Beta form automation
Hello,
FYI, just submitted the following to:
[email protected]
possibly if others feel the same, send it in.
Hello,
Each year I participate in the beta program. Generally over the beta cycle,
I submit many bug reports. I wish there was a way for some of the
information to remembered each year after the first report was sent. For
instance, each time I submit I need to enter first name, last name, Jaws
serial number, phone number, email address, operating system, etc.
This is a lot of unnecessary typing on the part of the person submitting the
report. Is there any way for these fields to auto populate?
Best,
Al
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:57:15 -0300
From: "Daniel" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beta form automation
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello,
Wow, that would fix everything related to the JAWS public beta report form,
now, and in the future! Where is this setting in Internet Explorer? I have
cookies enabled.
Daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 11:58 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beta form automation
Alan,
A couple thoughts here...
Do you have cookies enabled in IE?
Also, I've seen a setting in IE where it will auto-populate edit fields with
stored data.
Do you have these features up and running?
Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Robbins" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 02:51 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beta form automation
Daniel,
Thanks, I got the same. Hopefully they will share the
feeling that it is a good idea. I just feel the less work
you ask on this form, the more folks will take the time to
report. Just my theory
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Daniel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beta form automation
Hello Al,
Here is the response I just received from Freedomscientific
suggestions.
Dear Valued Customer:
Thank you for contacting Freedom Scientific. Your e-mail has
been received, and we appreciate your suggestions, which are
valuable to us. Due to the volume of e-mail received at
this account, please do not expect another response unless
we need more information or have additional questions.
Sincere Regards,
The Freedom Scientific Product Management Team.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Alan Robbins
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:51 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List <[email protected]>
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Beta form automation
Hello,
FYI, just submitted the following to:
[email protected]
possibly if others feel the same, send it in.
Hello,
Each year I participate in the beta program. Generally over
the beta cycle, I submit many bug reports. I wish there was
a way for some of the information to remembered each year
after the first report was sent. For instance, each time I
submit I need to enter first name, last name, Jaws serial
number, phone number, email address, operating system, etc.
This is a lot of unnecessary typing on the part of the
person submitting the report. Is there any way for these
fields to auto populate?
Best,
Al
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visit:
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visit:
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:57:15 -0300
From: "Daniel" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beta form automation
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Wow. It sounded like a bot, A human should have at least wrote back
Daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beta form automation
Canned response. No human.
Rose Combs
[email protected]
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Daniel
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 2:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Beta form automation
Hello Al,
Here is the response I just received from Freedomscientific suggestions.
Dear Valued Customer:
Thank you for contacting Freedom Scientific. Your e-mail has been received,
and we appreciate your suggestions, which are valuable to us. Due to the
volume of e-mail received at this account, please do not expect another
response unless we need more information or have additional questions.
Sincere Regards,
The Freedom Scientific Product Management Team.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Alan Robbins
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:51 PM
To: Jaws-Users-List <[email protected]>
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Beta form automation
Hello,
FYI, just submitted the following to:
[email protected]
possibly if others feel the same, send it in.
Hello,
Each year I participate in the beta program. Generally over the beta cycle,
I submit many bug reports. I wish there was a way for some of the
information to remembered each year after the first report was sent. For
instance, each time I submit I need to enter first name, last name, Jaws
serial number, phone number, email address, operating system, etc.
This is a lot of unnecessary typing on the part of the person submitting the
report. Is there any way for these fields to auto populate?
Best,
Al
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:26:28 -0400
From: Mario <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JAWS-Users] scripts for goldwave
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed
I need the scripts for goldwave 6.13. I thought I had them but can't
find them on my HD or via google search. I have the ones for 5.65+ but
they don't work right. can someone let me know where to grab a copy?
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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 15:26:23 -0400
From: "Jo Luland" <[email protected]>
To: "Jaws-Users-List " <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] How do I set Microsoft Word 2010 to default
settings?
Message-ID: <61FD89A5FA194B28ADAF240AC1D5129F@JoPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=original
Hi, Microsoft Word is acting goofy. I'm trying to address an envelope which
I've been doing for years, but now when I hit enter for the next line, JAWS
says B. and when I try to read by character, it doesn't announce the space.
If I go on, it appears to be writing on the same line even though I hit
enter for a new line. I think some setting has been changed. I'm sure
there's someone out there on this extremely savvy list who can explain how I
can set MS Word back to default settings. I'm running MSW 2010 on a Windows
7 Computer with latest version of JAWS. Thanks in advance for any help.
Jo
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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:44:35 -0700
From: "Rose Combs" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Small problem with the jaws 17 beta release
in reading emails
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I am using outlook 2010 and not having this problem.
Rose Combs
[email protected]
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Maheen
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 7:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Small problem with the jaws 17 beta release in reading
emails
Hi folks,
When I read my emails in jaws 17, for some reason jaws keeps saying blank
blank blank and won't read the emails until I have to unload and reload
jaws. It's not that big of an issue, but I'm sure they will fix this in the
next beta release. Anyone else have this issue?
Maheen.
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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 13:01:00 -0500
From: randy tijerina <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows update
Message-ID: <E2.DB.30090.0E540065@cdptpa-oedge02>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
is there a way to see what updates are being installed?
Just curious, I suppose.
At 12:40 PM 9/21/2015, you wrote:
Hello randy,
you can find windows update by performing the following steps. 1. Press
windows+I to get to settings. 2. Right arrow to update and security, down
arrow will not work in the settings app. 3. The first item is windows
update. 4. Press enter.5. Windows update will check for any available
updates , if it finds any, they will be downloaded and installed
automatically, on all versions of windows 10, including insider preview
builds, of which I am running the latest, build 10537.
Hope this helps,
Daniel
.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of petras
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 12:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows update
What do you mean that you can't find windows update? Are you saying that
you
don't know how to find it or what are you trying to say?
----- Original Message -----
From: randy tijerina <[email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date sent: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 19:18:19 -0500
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows update
Friends. This scares me a little. In Internet Explorer, ...I can't find
windows update...it says..... wuapp.exe windows cannot find wuapp.exe. make
sure you type it in correctly and try again......is it different now?
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:57:44 -0400
From: "hwolcott" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10
Message-ID: <A40045F30326464198B72C234DD1EAD7@HowardPC>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response
hi jim:
well, I got her done.
I decided to use the media creation tool after all.
it took 2 tries to get her going, but I'm now a proud win10 user on this
desktop computer.
now let the configuration headaches begin.
again, thanks for your help.
I think the messages you sent to the list will help me greatly.
howard wolcott
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From: "jim" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 12:12 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10
Your Welcome,
Please let me know how your upgrade goes using Microsoft windows update
way, through the system tray.
I have heard and experienced, that using the Windows update way, is very
diffacult, let me know if it is as easy as using the media creation tool.
Sinse, you have already upgraded a computer using the Microsoft creation
media tool, please let me know how it goes .
Thank you...
-----Original Message-----
From: hwolcott
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 8:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10
hi jim
thanks for the reminder.
but I'll be installing win10 directly from my sys tray since I already
downloaded it.
it's just sitting in my windows update waiting for me to start the
process.
I will do it sometime on monday.
I did use the windows on my 2-in-1 netbook and it did work perfectly.
I do have the win utility tool on a flash drive for when I eventually
install win10 on my dell laptop sometime in the future.
I will save this info for future reference, though.
thanks again.
p.s. yes, I will uninstall both jaws versions and shared components.
unfortunately, I no longer have a key since I used my last one last week
and
tech support probably will not give another, so I hope I don't lose my
last
jaws license key.
I'll cross that bridge when I come to it, I suppose.
take care.
howard wolcott
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From: "jim" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 7:27 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10
Hi Howard,
Yes, I would reinstall Jaws 17 after upgrading to w-10.
Just in case you need some reminders of upgrading to windows 10.
*Upgrading to Windows 10 with jaws 16 or 17.
go to:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade
Download the tool called utility tool, leave it in your download folder.
Download jaws 16.0.4350, leave it in your download folder for future use.
Download the Microsoft media creation tool at:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On this web page, Go to download link now 64 bit version or 32 bit
version depending on what system you have.
Download the tool and save it to your download folder for future use.
Leave all three of these downloads in your download folder.
Now, if you have not reserved windows 10, please do so.
press enter on the get windows 10 icon in the notification area.
go down the page and fill in your email address ext. this gives you a
verification email.
Now, restart your computer.
check for updates, install any updates, restart to make sure you have all
the latest updates.
Now you are ready to begin the upgrade to windows 10.
Run the jaws utility tool, this will get rid of any jaws fragmented files
and so on from your system.
Run the media creation tool.
yes, for your users account warning.
Choose, update this computer now and press enter.
you are now in an ongoing and updating dialog which says:
Windows 10 is being downloaded, continue using your computer.
This could take anywhere between 30 to 60 minutes, depending on your
download speed.
When it is done downloading, it will go through several screens itself
updating your computer and will get it ready for windows 10.
Next, there will be a screen asking you to except the license agreement,
check the yes and press enter on next.
Again, the program will run through several screens by itself.
Next, press enter on install.
now you will have no speech, this install takes 45 to 60 minutes to
complete.
After 1 hour, press the Windows key+enter key to turn on narrator.
Wait for a few minutes if it does not come on right away.
Almost done.
press the next button.
choose express settings.
press the next button.
if done right, in about 10 to 15 minutes, jaws will come on talking on
the desktop.
very important, uninstall jaws.
Keep shared settings and personal settings.
Reinstall jaws, no need for a restart here, jaws will come on talking
with all your settings, except for 2 of them.
Redo your shortcut key, control+ALT+j.
Redo the setting to have jaws come on at the log-on screen.
For whatever reason if the media tool fails the first time.
Check for updates, restart, and run the tool again.
-----Original Message-----
From: hwolcott
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10
hi desyree:
thanks for the response.
I'll keep that in mind.
will be upgrading sometime on monday.
howard wolcott
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From: "Desyree" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:54 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] when upgrading from win7 to win10
yes and you may see an issue with the jaws pc cursor not working
correctly in some cases. this has been reported to freedom scientific as
a bug in jaws 17.
On 9/19/2015 10:18 AM, hwolcott wrote:
hi list:
I know when upgrading from win7 to win10, you must uninstall and then
reinstall jaws 16.
does the same procedure have to be followed for jaw 17 public beta?
thanks in advance for any advice.
howard wolcott
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 13:05:03 -0700
From: "Mike B." <[email protected]>
To: "Jaws-Users List" <[email protected]>
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Selecting / Copying Groups Of Text In Notepad
Message-ID: <016701d0f4a8$ce4b5170$8b01a8c0@MikePC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi All,
Running Widows 7 64 bit Pro & Jaws 16 latest. How can I select blocks /
groups of text from a large text file & copy them to the clipboard. What I
want to do is select particular lines or paragraphs from 1 page of a text
file then, move to another page & select / append more selected text...
I know this can be done in Word but, the keystrokes from Word don't work
with Notepad. Unless I'm doing something wrong, which can be a great
possibility! All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 14:06:47 -0600
From: Desyree <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
hey jim,
have you seen jaws after windows 10 upgrade and reinstall start having
issues with the pc cursor?
On 9/21/2015 9:50 AM, jim wrote:
Hi Scorpio,
Jaws will work OK, but not as well as it should, unless you install it
new and fresh in w-10.
I speak from experience.
I have upgraded two w-7, and two w-8.1 computers, from beginning to end.
This includes customizing them as well.
The Start button, and search edit field, and the live tile region are
effected negatively, unless you reinstall Jaws.
I have assisted in many other upgrades.
Do not tell me I am wrong, Microsoft recommends, any users of Screen
reading software, to uninstall and reinstall them.
So, if you want a smooth running w-10 computer with Jaws 16 or 17, you
should follow Microsoft recommendation.
Just helping people get the most out of w-10 with Jaws...
How much experience do you have in upgrading computers to w-10?
When I give out instructions, I try to give them out as if everyone
was on their own with no sited help.
I have a great respect for those who are making it alone.
Each day is a challenge for all blind people, more so, when you are
alone.
So, I research my answers when I give a step by step guide, as if each
blind person were doing the steps by themselves with no sited help.
This way hopefully, they will not have any problems.
So, again, its not a matter of being right about reinstalling Jaws,
it?s a matter of getting max performance out of Jaws 16 and 17 on your
w-10 computer.
Have a nice day...
-----Original Message----- From: Scorpio Forever
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Hi Jim,
Your information is incorrect.
Since he is using Windows 8.1, he only need download and install the
latest
version of Jaws 16, then install Windows 10.
No need to re-install Jaws 16 once the Windows 10 is complete, as it
should
come up working after the installation.
You're thinking about Windows 7, of which he is not using.
Hope this helps.
Scorpio
-----Original Message----- From: jim
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 7:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Hi Al, The answer is Yes, you need to reinstall Jaws 16 after
upgrading to
w-10.
Here are the instructions again, I highly recommend following them for a
smooth upgrade experience.
*Upgrading to Windows 10 with jaws 16.
go to:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade
Download the tool called utility tool, leave it in your download folder.
Download jaws 16.0.4350, leave it in your download folder for future use.
Download the Microsoft media creation tool at:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
On this web page, Go to download link now 64 bit version or 32 bit
version
depending on what system you have.
Download the tool and save it to your download folder for future use.
Leave all three of these downloads in your download folder.
Now, if you have not reserved windows 10, please do so.
press enter on the get windows 10 icon in the notification area.
go down the page and fill in your email address ext. this gives you a
verification email.
Now, restart your computer.
check for updates, install any updates, restart to make sure you have all
the latest updates.
Now you are ready to begin the upgrade to windows 10.
Run the jaws utility tool, this will get rid of any jaws fragmented files
and so on from your system.
Run the media creation tool.
yes, for your users account warning.
Choose, update this computer now and press enter.
you are now in an ongoing and updating dialog which says:
Windows 10 is being downloaded, continue using your computer.
This could take anywhere between 30 to 60 minutes, depending on your
download speed.
When it is done downloading, it will go through several screens itself
updating your computer and will get it ready for windows 10.
Next, there will be a screen asking you to except the license agreement,
check the yes and press enter on next.
Again, the program will run through several screens by itself.
Next, press enter on install.
now you will have no speech, this install takes 45 to 60 minutes to
complete.
After 1 hour, press the Windows key+enter key to turn on narrator.
Wait for a few minutes if it does not come on right away.
Almost done.
press the next button.
choose express settings.
press the next button.
if done right, in about 10 to 15 minutes, jaws will come on talking on
the
desktop.
very important, uninstall jaws.
Keep shared settings and personal settings.
Reinstall jaws, no need for a restart here, jaws will come on talking
with
all your settings, except for 2 of them.
Redo your shortcut key, control+ALT+j.
Redo the setting to have jaws come on at the log-on screen.
For whatever reason if the media tool fails the first time.
Check for updates, restart, and run the tool again.
-----Original Message----- From: Alan Robbins
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
The answer to question #2, from my understanding monitoring
the windows 10 and jaws list, is no.
Al
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Dacia Cole
Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 5:27 PM
To: jaws-users-list
Subject: [JAWS-Users] upgrading windows 10 questions
Hi,
I have a couple of questions about upgrading to windows 10.
I've finally been asked to upgrade from windows 8.1 to
windows 10 today.
One, how do I do a system backup to my external hardrive?
Second, do I have to reinstall JAWS once I upgrade to 10?
I'm currently using windows 8.1 with JAWS 16 on a Lenovo
laptop.
thanks,
Dacia
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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 13:30:54 -0700
From: "Rose Combs" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you
understand?
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I tried to find this in settings center because I knew I had heard that in
What is new podcast. However, frankly, I am not finding it.
Will approach this later, have about a dozen things on my computer at once,
and that is not counting my phone.
Rose Combs
[email protected]
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Eric Damery
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
There is. You can use the settings center to tell JAWS that on that
particular domain, you would want to revert from Smart Navigation Controls
and Tables, back to off. Here is the section in the What's New that talks
about that process and how to do it.
Regards,
Eric
Use Settings Center to Configure Settings for a Specific Web Site
In JAWS 17, you can now apply settings changes to a specific web site domain
using Settings Center. For instance, if you use Smart Navigation and you
have a particular web site where you would prefer not to have this feature
active, you can open Settings Center from the current site and turn it off.
Smart Navigation will continue working on all other web sites.
To configure web site specific settings, do the following:
Open the web site where you want settings changes to apply.
Press INSERT+F2, select Settings Center, and press ENTER.
Press SHIFT+TAB to move to the application list and locate Default.
Press DOWN ARROW one time and you should find the name of your current site
followed by (domain). For example, if you open Settings Center from the
Freedom Scientific web site, you should see something like
www.freedomscientific.com (Domain).
While the web site name is selected, press TAB to move to the Search
edit and type all or part of the setting you want to change. For example,
"smart" for Smart Navigation, "Forms" for Forms Mode options, etc.
Press DOWN ARROW to move to the filtered results of the Settings Center
tree view and make your preferred settings changes.
Press TAB to move to the OK button and activate it with the SPACEBAR.
The changes are made and saved. Settings Center closes.
Now, whatever you have set for the current web site should only be applied
when any pages on this site are open and have focus. For example, if you set
Smart Navigation to Controls and Tables for the Freedom Scientific web site,
it should be off for all other web sites which is the default, unless you
are on Freedomscientific.com.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 12:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
Smart Navigation, my weather page is being read in a much different fashion
than it was an I'd like to change it back but I do not want to lose the
Smart Navigation for my other pages. Is there a way?
Rose Combs
[email protected]
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
I changed the subject line to reflect your question concerning how much we
understand.
Doesn't look like the current smart navigation. Did not notice that
striking certain keys, such as H, would jump from heading to heading.
Looks like we have to do three keystrokes to get the same thing we now get
with one keystroke.
They are talking about doing the keystrokes twice quickly.
Where is the option to have it like it is in windows 7?
Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
Respected friend, here is the detail of smart navigation of jaws 17.
Read and let me know how much have you understood!
Smart Navigation, More Efficient Interaction with Complex Web Pages and
Applications Today and in the future, users will be faced with an increased
need to work with complex web forms, tables, and even applications that run
inside of a web browser. This will impact your day to day interactions with
services on-line such as banking and shopping, in addition to many web apps
found in both companies and government agencies. For instance, Internet
Explorer can be used to log onto a Microsoft SharePoint server to
collaborate with other co-workers and create and store documents. The new
Smart Navigation feature is designed to make it more efficient when
navigating web-based applications with the Virtual Cursor as the LEFT and
RIGHT ARROW or CTRL+LEFT and
CTRL+RIGHT ARROW commands move by control instead of character and word.
This makes navigation such as moving across toolbars, tab strips, and
navigation links more like navigating around a desktop application. Pressing
the Say Character, Say Word, or Say Line commands twice quickly changes to
the traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph
so you can review the text of the control. Smart Navigation resumes when you
press ESC, or move to a different control by pressing UP or DOWN ARROW or
TAB.
For example, if you use the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to move across a tab
strip, you might hear JAWS announce something like; "Home tab selected,"
"Insert tab," and "Page Layout tab." If you wanted to review the items on
the tab strip character by character, press the Say Character (NUM PAD 5),
Say Word (INSERT+NUM PAD 5), or Say Line (INSERT+UP ARROW) commands twice
quickly. You can now navigate by character or word until you press DOWN
ARROW to move away from the tab strip to another control.
Smart Navigation is off by default. To turn it on, do the following:
Press INSERT+F2, select Settings Center, and press ENTER.
Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to open the default settings file if you want to use
Smart Navigation in all web browsers, or open the Internet Explorer or
Firefox settings file.
Type "smart navigation" without the quotes into the Search edit box.
Press DOWN ARROW to move to Smart Navigation in the filtered results of the
Settings Center tree view.
Press the SPACEBAR to choose the Smart Navigation option you want to use.
Press TAB to move to the OK button and activate it with the SPACEBAR. The
changes are made and saved. Settings Center closes.
Alternatively, Smart Navigation can be enabled for all web browsers through
the Startup Wizard, or through Quick Settings (INSERT+V). For instance, you
may want to use Smart Navigation in Firefox, but not in Internet Explorer.
Smart Navigation offers two modes, Controls, and Controls and Tables.
When set to Controls, most web-based controls, including, but not limited
to, buttons, links, edit fields, list boxes, tree views, and headings, are
treated as single units when navigating by character or word. Performing a
Say Character, Say Word, and Say Line command twice quickly while focused on
a control will switch to character and word Navigation so you can use the
traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph to
review a control, such as the text of a button or link, in greater detail.
Smart Navigation by controls automatically resumes when you press ESC, or
move to another control using TAB or UP or DOWN ARROW. If you encounter a
table, you will still use the table reading commands (CTRL+ALT+ARROW keys)
or the Table layer (INSERT+SPACEBAR, t) to navigate the table.
When set to Controls and Tables, navigation is the same as the Controls
option when not in a table. However, if focused inside of a table, the RIGHT
and LEFT ARROW keys move between columns while the UP and DOWN ARROW keys
move between rows. When focused in a cell and it contains any controls, such
as a heading, or an edit field, pressing the Say Character, Say Word, or Say
Line commands twice quickly will switch to control navigation, and
performing these commands again twice quickly will switch to character and
word navigation. If the cell does not contain controls, you can only switch
to character and word navigation. Pressing ESC or moving focus away from the
control or table cell will switch back to the prior navigation level, for
example, pressing ESC while in character and word navigation will return to
Smart Navigation in tables.
When Smart navigation is active, press ALT+DELETE or INSERT+TAB to have JAWS
announce the current Smart Navigation level.
Anytime you are using Smart Navigation, either set to Controls or Controls
and Tables, JAWS will work in Screen Layout. This presents pages in the
virtual buffer similar to how they appear visually on the screen. Toolbar
buttons or other lists of controls that are visually laid out horizontally
on the screen are displayed on one line in the virtual document, allowing a
single press of the DOWN ARROW to skip the entire toolbar instead of having
to move from button to button to get past it.
For a great example, please try JAWS 17 on a web form such as the Web Track
sample form on the Surf's Up pages. On this page, you will be able to see
the power of navigating more efficiently with the DOWN ARROW then in
previous versions.
New Sound Indication for Links
As you navigate by line with Smart Navigation active, JAWS plays a sound if
the current line contains one or more links which would generally be
displayed on separate lines when you are not in Smart Navigation. This sound
helps you identify that a link exists and gives you a chance to pause to
hear about it or use TAB or the ARROW keys to move to it. To keep this sound
from being too intrusive, it is not heard if a line contains a link that is
preceded by less than five characters. For instance, a bulleted or numbered
list that contains a link directly after the number or bullet.
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
Hello Gang:
Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra?
If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation?
Neil
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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 13:41:35 -0700
From: "Rose Combs" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you
understand?
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Well I tried, honestly, I had a ton of stuff I needed to arrow through to
get the one page, instead if it landing on the page I did have open.
Oh, well, if it works I am satisfied. Not sure how I like the smart nav
yet, sometimes it is mostly confusing, sometimes it is great. However, I
have not spent as much time with it as I had planned as phone update came
out first and am trying to learn braille display commands and use of phone
for something I will be doing at church very soon.
Thanks. I did listen, however, I had not delved into the help as of today.
Life has been slow but has sped up in the last four days and after three
months of retirement and one month before that of illness I am not the
multitasker I once was.
Rose Combs
[email protected]
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Eric Damery
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
There is. You can use the settings center to tell JAWS that on that
particular domain, you would want to revert from Smart Navigation Controls
and Tables, back to off. Here is the section in the What's New that talks
about that process and how to do it.
Regards,
Eric
Use Settings Center to Configure Settings for a Specific Web Site
In JAWS 17, you can now apply settings changes to a specific web site domain
using Settings Center. For instance, if you use Smart Navigation and you
have a particular web site where you would prefer not to have this feature
active, you can open Settings Center from the current site and turn it off.
Smart Navigation will continue working on all other web sites.
To configure web site specific settings, do the following:
Open the web site where you want settings changes to apply.
Press INSERT+F2, select Settings Center, and press ENTER.
Press SHIFT+TAB to move to the application list and locate Default.
Press DOWN ARROW one time and you should find the name of your current site
followed by (domain). For example, if you open Settings Center from the
Freedom Scientific web site, you should see something like
www.freedomscientific.com (Domain).
While the web site name is selected, press TAB to move to the Search
edit and type all or part of the setting you want to change. For example,
"smart" for Smart Navigation, "Forms" for Forms Mode options, etc.
Press DOWN ARROW to move to the filtered results of the Settings Center
tree view and make your preferred settings changes.
Press TAB to move to the OK button and activate it with the SPACEBAR.
The changes are made and saved. Settings Center closes.
Now, whatever you have set for the current web site should only be applied
when any pages on this site are open and have focus. For example, if you set
Smart Navigation to Controls and Tables for the Freedom Scientific web site,
it should be off for all other web sites which is the default, unless you
are on Freedomscientific.com.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 12:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
Smart Navigation, my weather page is being read in a much different fashion
than it was an I'd like to change it back but I do not want to lose the
Smart Navigation for my other pages. Is there a way?
Rose Combs
[email protected]
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
I changed the subject line to reflect your question concerning how much we
understand.
Doesn't look like the current smart navigation. Did not notice that
striking certain keys, such as H, would jump from heading to heading.
Looks like we have to do three keystrokes to get the same thing we now get
with one keystroke.
They are talking about doing the keystrokes twice quickly.
Where is the option to have it like it is in windows 7?
Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
Respected friend, here is the detail of smart navigation of jaws 17.
Read and let me know how much have you understood!
Smart Navigation, More Efficient Interaction with Complex Web Pages and
Applications Today and in the future, users will be faced with an increased
need to work with complex web forms, tables, and even applications that run
inside of a web browser. This will impact your day to day interactions with
services on-line such as banking and shopping, in addition to many web apps
found in both companies and government agencies. For instance, Internet
Explorer can be used to log onto a Microsoft SharePoint server to
collaborate with other co-workers and create and store documents. The new
Smart Navigation feature is designed to make it more efficient when
navigating web-based applications with the Virtual Cursor as the LEFT and
RIGHT ARROW or CTRL+LEFT and
CTRL+RIGHT ARROW commands move by control instead of character and word.
This makes navigation such as moving across toolbars, tab strips, and
navigation links more like navigating around a desktop application. Pressing
the Say Character, Say Word, or Say Line commands twice quickly changes to
the traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph
so you can review the text of the control. Smart Navigation resumes when you
press ESC, or move to a different control by pressing UP or DOWN ARROW or
TAB.
For example, if you use the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to move across a tab
strip, you might hear JAWS announce something like; "Home tab selected,"
"Insert tab," and "Page Layout tab." If you wanted to review the items on
the tab strip character by character, press the Say Character (NUM PAD 5),
Say Word (INSERT+NUM PAD 5), or Say Line (INSERT+UP ARROW) commands twice
quickly. You can now navigate by character or word until you press DOWN
ARROW to move away from the tab strip to another control.
Smart Navigation is off by default. To turn it on, do the following:
Press INSERT+F2, select Settings Center, and press ENTER.
Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to open the default settings file if you want to use
Smart Navigation in all web browsers, or open the Internet Explorer or
Firefox settings file.
Type "smart navigation" without the quotes into the Search edit box.
Press DOWN ARROW to move to Smart Navigation in the filtered results of the
Settings Center tree view.
Press the SPACEBAR to choose the Smart Navigation option you want to use.
Press TAB to move to the OK button and activate it with the SPACEBAR. The
changes are made and saved. Settings Center closes.
Alternatively, Smart Navigation can be enabled for all web browsers through
the Startup Wizard, or through Quick Settings (INSERT+V). For instance, you
may want to use Smart Navigation in Firefox, but not in Internet Explorer.
Smart Navigation offers two modes, Controls, and Controls and Tables.
When set to Controls, most web-based controls, including, but not limited
to, buttons, links, edit fields, list boxes, tree views, and headings, are
treated as single units when navigating by character or word. Performing a
Say Character, Say Word, and Say Line command twice quickly while focused on
a control will switch to character and word Navigation so you can use the
traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph to
review a control, such as the text of a button or link, in greater detail.
Smart Navigation by controls automatically resumes when you press ESC, or
move to another control using TAB or UP or DOWN ARROW. If you encounter a
table, you will still use the table reading commands (CTRL+ALT+ARROW keys)
or the Table layer (INSERT+SPACEBAR, t) to navigate the table.
When set to Controls and Tables, navigation is the same as the Controls
option when not in a table. However, if focused inside of a table, the RIGHT
and LEFT ARROW keys move between columns while the UP and DOWN ARROW keys
move between rows. When focused in a cell and it contains any controls, such
as a heading, or an edit field, pressing the Say Character, Say Word, or Say
Line commands twice quickly will switch to control navigation, and
performing these commands again twice quickly will switch to character and
word navigation. If the cell does not contain controls, you can only switch
to character and word navigation. Pressing ESC or moving focus away from the
control or table cell will switch back to the prior navigation level, for
example, pressing ESC while in character and word navigation will return to
Smart Navigation in tables.
When Smart navigation is active, press ALT+DELETE or INSERT+TAB to have JAWS
announce the current Smart Navigation level.
Anytime you are using Smart Navigation, either set to Controls or Controls
and Tables, JAWS will work in Screen Layout. This presents pages in the
virtual buffer similar to how they appear visually on the screen. Toolbar
buttons or other lists of controls that are visually laid out horizontally
on the screen are displayed on one line in the virtual document, allowing a
single press of the DOWN ARROW to skip the entire toolbar instead of having
to move from button to button to get past it.
For a great example, please try JAWS 17 on a web form such as the Web Track
sample form on the Surf's Up pages. On this page, you will be able to see
the power of navigating more efficiently with the DOWN ARROW then in
previous versions.
New Sound Indication for Links
As you navigate by line with Smart Navigation active, JAWS plays a sound if
the current line contains one or more links which would generally be
displayed on separate lines when you are not in Smart Navigation. This sound
helps you identify that a link exists and gives you a chance to pause to
hear about it or use TAB or the ARROW keys to move to it. To keep this sound
from being too intrusive, it is not heard if a line contains a link that is
preceded by less than five characters. For instance, a bulleted or numbered
list that contains a link directly after the number or bullet.
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
Hello Gang:
Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra?
If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation?
Neil
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Message: 31
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 13:43:49 -0700
From: "George Martinez CPA" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Selecting / Copying Groups Of Text In
Notepad
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi Mike,
I have Win 7 Pro and JAWS 16 and use Notepad.
Notepad uses arrow up & down and I use the keypad for navigation as well.
To highlight text I move to the left of the first letter and then hold down
SHIFT and arrow right to highlight the text or hit END to highlight to the
end of the line.
Then I use the old WordStar CTRL + X to cut it and you know the rest.
George
?If I continue to do the same things I have always done and am believing for
change in my life? That is a form of ?insanity!?
George A Martinez CPA, PC
12231 North 50th Avenue
Glendale, AZ 85304-2215
Voice 602.368.8854 FAX 206.666.2589
Email [email protected]
?
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 1:05 PM
To: Jaws-Users List <[email protected]>
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Selecting / Copying Groups Of Text In Notepad
Hi All,
Running Widows 7 64 bit Pro & Jaws 16 latest. How can I select blocks /
groups of text from a large text file & copy them to the clipboard. What I
want to do is select particular lines or paragraphs from 1 page of a text
file then, move to another page & select / append more selected text...
I know this can be done in Word but, the keystrokes from Word don't work
with Notepad. Unless I'm doing something wrong, which can be a great
possibility! All help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
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Message: 32
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 20:45:50 +0000
From: Eric Damery <[email protected]>
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you
understand?
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256"
Search for "smart nav" when you land in setting center and it should be
there.
Regards, Eric
Eric Damery
Vice President
Software Product Management
Freedom Scientific, Inc
727-299-6110
________________________________
From: Rose Combs<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: ?9/?21/?2015 4:33 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
I tried to find this in settings center because I knew I had heard that in
What is new podcast. However, frankly, I am not finding it.
Will approach this later, have about a dozen things on my computer at once,
and that is not counting my phone.
Rose Combs
[email protected]
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Eric Damery
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
There is. You can use the settings center to tell JAWS that on that
particular domain, you would want to revert from Smart Navigation Controls
and Tables, back to off. Here is the section in the What's New that talks
about that process and how to do it.
Regards,
Eric
Use Settings Center to Configure Settings for a Specific Web Site
In JAWS 17, you can now apply settings changes to a specific web site domain
using Settings Center. For instance, if you use Smart Navigation and you
have a particular web site where you would prefer not to have this feature
active, you can open Settings Center from the current site and turn it off.
Smart Navigation will continue working on all other web sites.
To configure web site specific settings, do the following:
Open the web site where you want settings changes to apply.
Press INSERT+F2, select Settings Center, and press ENTER.
Press SHIFT+TAB to move to the application list and locate Default.
Press DOWN ARROW one time and you should find the name of your current site
followed by (domain). For example, if you open Settings Center from the
Freedom Scientific web site, you should see something like
www.freedomscientific.com<http://www.freedomscientific.com> (Domain).
While the web site name is selected, press TAB to move to the Search
edit and type all or part of the setting you want to change. For example,
"smart" for Smart Navigation, "Forms" for Forms Mode options, etc.
Press DOWN ARROW to move to the filtered results of the Settings Center
tree view and make your preferred settings changes.
Press TAB to move to the OK button and activate it with the SPACEBAR.
The changes are made and saved. Settings Center closes.
Now, whatever you have set for the current web site should only be applied
when any pages on this site are open and have focus. For example, if you set
Smart Navigation to Controls and Tables for the Freedom Scientific web site,
it should be off for all other web sites which is the default, unless you
are on Freedomscientific.com.
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Rose Combs
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 12:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
Smart Navigation, my weather page is being read in a much different fashion
than it was an I'd like to change it back but I do not want to lose the
Smart Navigation for my other pages. Is there a way?
Rose Combs
[email protected]
A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
memory!
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 2:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation: How much do you understand?
I changed the subject line to reflect your question concerning how much we
understand.
Doesn't look like the current smart navigation. Did not notice that
striking certain keys, such as H, would jump from heading to heading.
Looks like we have to do three keystrokes to get the same thing we now get
with one keystroke.
They are talking about doing the keystrokes twice quickly.
Where is the option to have it like it is in windows 7?
Neil
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 3:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
Respected friend, here is the detail of smart navigation of jaws 17.
Read and let me know how much have you understood!
Smart Navigation, More Efficient Interaction with Complex Web Pages and
Applications Today and in the future, users will be faced with an increased
need to work with complex web forms, tables, and even applications that run
inside of a web browser. This will impact your day to day interactions with
services on-line such as banking and shopping, in addition to many web apps
found in both companies and government agencies. For instance, Internet
Explorer can be used to log onto a Microsoft SharePoint server to
collaborate with other co-workers and create and store documents. The new
Smart Navigation feature is designed to make it more efficient when
navigating web-based applications with the Virtual Cursor as the LEFT and
RIGHT ARROW or CTRL+LEFT and
CTRL+RIGHT ARROW commands move by control instead of character and word.
This makes navigation such as moving across toolbars, tab strips, and
navigation links more like navigating around a desktop application. Pressing
the Say Character, Say Word, or Say Line commands twice quickly changes to
the traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph
so you can review the text of the control. Smart Navigation resumes when you
press ESC, or move to a different control by pressing UP or DOWN ARROW or
TAB.
For example, if you use the LEFT and RIGHT ARROW keys to move across a tab
strip, you might hear JAWS announce something like; "Home tab selected,"
"Insert tab," and "Page Layout tab." If you wanted to review the items on
the tab strip character by character, press the Say Character (NUM PAD 5),
Say Word (INSERT+NUM PAD 5), or Say Line (INSERT+UP ARROW) commands twice
quickly. You can now navigate by character or word until you press DOWN
ARROW to move away from the tab strip to another control.
Smart Navigation is off by default. To turn it on, do the following:
Press INSERT+F2, select Settings Center, and press ENTER.
Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to open the default settings file if you want to use
Smart Navigation in all web browsers, or open the Internet Explorer or
Firefox settings file.
Type "smart navigation" without the quotes into the Search edit box.
Press DOWN ARROW to move to Smart Navigation in the filtered results of the
Settings Center tree view.
Press the SPACEBAR to choose the Smart Navigation option you want to use.
Press TAB to move to the OK button and activate it with the SPACEBAR. The
changes are made and saved. Settings Center closes.
Alternatively, Smart Navigation can be enabled for all web browsers through
the Startup Wizard, or through Quick Settings (INSERT+V). For instance, you
may want to use Smart Navigation in Firefox, but not in Internet Explorer.
Smart Navigation offers two modes, Controls, and Controls and Tables.
When set to Controls, most web-based controls, including, but not limited
to, buttons, links, edit fields, list boxes, tree views, and headings, are
treated as single units when navigating by character or word. Performing a
Say Character, Say Word, and Say Line command twice quickly while focused on
a control will switch to character and word Navigation so you can use the
traditional navigation by character, word, line, sentence, and paragraph to
review a control, such as the text of a button or link, in greater detail.
Smart Navigation by controls automatically resumes when you press ESC, or
move to another control using TAB or UP or DOWN ARROW. If you encounter a
table, you will still use the table reading commands (CTRL+ALT+ARROW keys)
or the Table layer (INSERT+SPACEBAR, t) to navigate the table.
When set to Controls and Tables, navigation is the same as the Controls
option when not in a table. However, if focused inside of a table, the RIGHT
and LEFT ARROW keys move between columns while the UP and DOWN ARROW keys
move between rows. When focused in a cell and it contains any controls, such
as a heading, or an edit field, pressing the Say Character, Say Word, or Say
Line commands twice quickly will switch to control navigation, and
performing these commands again twice quickly will switch to character and
word navigation. If the cell does not contain controls, you can only switch
to character and word navigation. Pressing ESC or moving focus away from the
control or table cell will switch back to the prior navigation level, for
example, pressing ESC while in character and word navigation will return to
Smart Navigation in tables.
When Smart navigation is active, press ALT+DELETE or INSERT+TAB to have JAWS
announce the current Smart Navigation level.
Anytime you are using Smart Navigation, either set to Controls or Controls
and Tables, JAWS will work in Screen Layout. This presents pages in the
virtual buffer similar to how they appear visually on the screen. Toolbar
buttons or other lists of controls that are visually laid out horizontally
on the screen are displayed on one line in the virtual document, allowing a
single press of the DOWN ARROW to skip the entire toolbar instead of having
to move from button to button to get past it.
For a great example, please try JAWS 17 on a web form such as the Web Track
sample form on the Surf's Up pages. On this page, you will be able to see
the power of navigating more efficiently with the DOWN ARROW then in
previous versions.
New Sound Indication for Links
As you navigate by line with Smart Navigation active, JAWS plays a sound if
the current line contains one or more links which would generally be
displayed on separate lines when you are not in Smart Navigation. This sound
helps you identify that a link exists and gives you a chance to pause to
hear about it or use TAB or the ARROW keys to move to it. To keep this sound
from being too intrusive, it is not heard if a line contains a link that is
preceded by less than five characters. For instance, a bulleted or numbered
list that contains a link directly after the number or bullet.
With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:
Charlsdarwin1
-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Neil Towery
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 6:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Smart Navigation
Hello Gang:
Exactly what is the JAWS smart navigation, to which several of you have
commented? Is that just the keys like H to jump to headings, V for visited
links, et cetra?
If not that, what is it? What does it do? And, how do you activate smart
navigation?
Neil
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