|From: David Budworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
|Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:35 PM
|To: marc fleury
|Cc: Aaron Mulder; jBoss Developer
|Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] /. -> want you to tell about my fears ....
|
|
|How I came to be using JBoss.
|
|I was working with WebLogic (downloaded trial version).  Ran into
|problems, then went and downloaded WebSphere, hated it, then ran across
|Jboss, and tried that.
|
|This was all in the course of 1 day.
|
|If I had to buy the manual online just to figure out how to start/deploy my
|application, I wouldn't have even downloaded it.
|
|I only did because the docs were on the website.  So, while it was
|downloading, I udated my DD, and prepared to unpack/test my app.
|
|I think removing the docs 100% would be a bad thing.
|
|I do believe that having a "quickstart" manual (for each production
|release of jboss, ie. 2.2, 2.4, etc) would be good if you want the
|developers frustrated with alternate solutions to consider jboss.
|
|I don't mean anything complex, just something simple that contains:
|1) How to start/stop jboss
|2) How to use the 8082 interface
|3) A tutorial on a basic CMP bean (1 field).  And only the desciptors
|   that are absolutely neccesary.  (and for ejb-jar.xml help, point them to
|   Sun's site).  Plus a command line app, that set a value/read it back
|   type thing.
|4) A pointer to buy the hardback/electronic books.
|
|This would allow someone to get JBoss up and running, and see that it
|does indeed work.

*absolutely*

|With that small quicksmart (~4 html pages), I would think people would
|get more into it.  And at $10, you can't beat the price for the full docs.

it's going to be $10 for the full doco and then $10 per feature that is new
and advanced (cmp 2.0, clustering) if you don't need them you don't buy
them, we don't force you and they are separate items, but this way if you
need a feature you reward the developer of the feature.

|I think that people just need to see it works at all before they'll
|spend even a dollar.

agreed the "quickstart" is good, it is a very good idea.  We will do this.
Maintaining a free getting started  is easy enough.

|And, before you flame me Marc.  This is just an opinion.  I'm not
|telling you to do this.

quite the contrary I only flame if I disagree, in this case I wholeheartedly
agree.

|I attended the training in Vegas, so JBoss Group made some money off me,
|as well as some minor modifications to the system.  I'm just saying
|that without any online docs, it would have been BEA that made the
|money.  (But obviously not the modifications)

heard you loud and clear,
"getting started" free,
"above and beyond" not free

marcf
|
|
|-David
|
|
|On Thu, 29 Nov 2001, marc fleury wrote:
|
|> |    So let me get this straight...  When people want to know how to
|> |use this open source product, they have the choice to either pay $50 or
|> |read the comments in the source code?
|>
|> yes you got a problem with that?  Also what kind of math gave you $50
|> dollars? you stupid? we will charge $10 for the book and some
|doco features.
|> That is the model that makes total sense.
|>
|> Look you have 2 choices
|> 1- you go work for a company that subsidizes your open source work
|> 2- you subsidize it yourself
|>
|> I chose 2, you chose 1 don't come telling me what to do you
|*really* haven't
|> earned that right so before you come here telling us what we can
|charge for
|> you need to do some real work on JBoss.
|>
|> The goal is simple I reward those who do real work on JBoss,
|Bill is working
|> at Dow Jones, Scott is writting the book, Juha is writing the
|book, andreas
|> does support by the hour, I do training, etc etc if I can find a way to
|> subsidize the free product then it is good.
|>
|> simple knowledge is free advanced knowledge is not. It is that simple.
|>
|> marcf
|>
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