thanks for the validation Dan it is important to me that we build a network
of independent consultants just like you around JBoss. It must be built on
trust and technology.  What was engineering trust will hopefully mature in
business trust as JBoss advances, reaches mass-awareness, and business picks
up around it.

It is a new structure if you think about it, JBoss will be the place you go
for J2EE seasoned professionals and keeping the talent, in fact **providing
for** the talent that we attract is my goal. I am a recruiter of talent when
it comes down to it.  When peter antman tells me "marc think about this"
well I do.

We are professionals, professionals that live and work in open source, we
like it, a good model a good life.  It is a brand new model, a "3rd way"
neither the greed of the past nor the idealism of the zealots.  We are
professionals making it work. We are making it work for all those that want
to join, it is new.

I strongly believe that those Open Source project that work in enterprise
level software need this kind of new thinking.  I say this because I
remember going to a Stallman talk about 3 years ago at Netscape in the
Valley,  I was thourougly impressed and I remember hearing him ranting
against the for pay documentation he didn't want OReilly and such he wanted
just free products and free documentation.  I realize today that I can't
make that model work 100%.  It makes me un-easy that somewhere along the
lines I diverge from the mandate.

I am just a soldier, I'll make it work, the church can object to for-pay
doco, I believe in the new model.

"l'argent est le nerf de la guerre"

marcf


|-----Original Message-----
|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of danch
|Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:47 AM
|To: marc fleury
|Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jBoss Developer
|Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] /. -> want you to tell about my fears ....
|
|
|I think what a lot of people are missing is your (and Scott's) emphasis
|on _professional_ level documentation. ()
|
|No open source project has professional level documentation for free.
|They have at best whatever the developer felt like spewing in something
|approximating English. Think of the money people shell out for books on
|Linux, Apache, PHP, etc. Probably one of the biggest hurdles PostgreSQL
|had was that the only documentation was the online, volunteer maintained
|stuff (until recently). Not that my opinion matters a while lot, but
|providing a brief guide to features (getting started, whatever it's
|called) for free and charging for something professional makes perfect
|sense.
|
|Now: when is the book out (so I can put it on the shelf and piss off the
|IBM weenies)
|
|-danch
|
|marc fleury wrote:
|
|> |  And for the most part it's a great idea - but you really odda consider
|> |  providing some decent enough docs at least for people to get
|started on,
|> |  otherwise I imagine you'll find alot of people never getting
|started at
|> |  all...
|>
|> I don't get it, that is what we are talking about making a
|getstarted stuff
|> free and good and then the advanced stuff for a fee, did I fail to
|> communicate this?
|>
|> marcf
|>
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