You must have fallen and bumped your head. James
-----Original Message----- From: Vincent Harcq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:12 PM To: 'Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net' Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? You are at a restaurant, The Chef offers you the dinner(jboss) and the dessert(free doco). you have to be polite and interresting to be invited at his personnal table, You get nothing more in your plates when you are here, only an interresting discussion, you are not polite, he kicks you off, you are not interresting, he does not listen to you and go to another table, you have to bring a flower pot(10$) to get the pause café (full doco). you want to be sure his restaurant does not close while he is offering dinner to more and more people, give him some pans (support contract) for his new cookers (developers), he opens another restaurant where you have to pay a fabulous dinner , you are free to decide to go there (the consuting/training), you are free to not go, he shouts too much, go in the next restaurant and pay for your dinner. Buuurp, I apologize. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On > Behalf Of Hicks, James > Sent: mardi 4 décembre 2001 16:30 > To: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? > > > Let me start off by saying that I don't know what initially > sparked this thread, but being an employee of a subsidiary > of a very large telco, I can relate to some points Ean > Schuessler made. Now, I am not attacking anyone on this list > or the JBoss Group, I just want to raise a few issues. > > For the past 3 months I have been reviewing app servers to > deploy some internal software on. When I take my proposals > to my boss, he will ask a lot of the questions Ean Schuessler asked. > > Let's face it, there are many 'large' companies that use > open source software (tomcat, struts, linux, postgres, mysql, > php, perl,....), but there aren't many that are using JBoss. > It could be that the reason a lot of them haven't looked into > JBoss is because of some of the responses on this list made > by the people that are behind JBoss. When a company decides > to go with a spefic product, it is a long term investment. > The company is looking for stability and longevity in the > product. Seeing some threads on this lists turns a lot of > people away. > > James Hicks > > -----Original Message----- > From: marc fleury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:56 AM > To: Dain Sundstrom; 'Adam Heath'; Bill Burke > Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net > Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? > > > The situation has been taken care of, the brainfood guys > removed from this list, > > JBoss-dev is for serious contributors and serious technical > discussion, I hate waking up and finding 20 mails of flames > talking about forking JBoss. I am not going to provide a > forum for this on my own lists. > > I thank all of you for your unanimous response and support, > let's keep on kicking some ass, we are there, back to work > > marcf > > > |-----Original Message----- > |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Dain > |Sundstrom > |Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:36 AM > |To: 'Adam Heath'; Bill Burke > |Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net > |Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? > | > | > |Adam, > | > |The reason people don't remember this is because jboss is so easy to > |deploy already that they feel a deb is unecessary. So your > |contribution is not highly valued, and not remembered. > | > |-dain > | > |> -----Original Message----- > |> From: Adam Heath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > |> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:21 AM > |> To: Bill Burke > |> Cc: Adam Heath; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net > |> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? > |> > |> > |> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Bill Burke wrote: > |> > |> > Didn't see your patch, sorry....Well, I actualy couldn't > |> find it after > |> > looking a little bit. > |> > |> Message-ID: > |> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > |> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:07:42 -0600 (CST) > |> Subject: [PATCH]: [JBoss-dev] can't build jboss from cvs > |> > |> The above email patches build.xml, only. It does what I need, to > |> split the tarballs/zips up. > |> > |> Also, another patch I sent, earlier, contains some miscellaneous > |> patches. > |> > |> Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > |> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:24:56 -0600 (CST) > |> Subject: [JBoss-dev] misc patches needed to make .deb for debian > |> > |> > Sorry if the JBoss community is not what you're used to. > |> It works for us. > |> > I am now integrating JBoss into a 2nd production system at > |> a 2nd company, > |> > with much success, and will be moving onto a 3rd in > |> January.. The JBoss > |> > community is doing something right. I know from experience. > |> > |> You have worked at 2 different companies, or did they hire > you as a > |> consultant just to do this integration(not meaning to sound harsh, > |> just being inquistive). > |> > |> > Yes. Who the hell is Adam Heath anyways? (Then you could > |> ask, who the hell > |> > is Bill Burke? :) > |> > |> Fair 'nuf. :) > |> > |> > Don't know what business world you live in, but respect is > |> usually earned > |> > not given. Sure credentials get you noticed, but after > |> that you have to > |> > earn the respect of your peers. And yes, we are your > |> peers. Only results > |> > and money talk in the business world. Unless you're a > |> commie. I thought we > |> > purged you commies back in the '50s? > |> > |> I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but true believers in the free > |> software doctrine could be compared to commies, in theory. > |> > |> > It doesn't work like that here. Somebody correct me, but, > |> IMHO, we have a > |> > meritocracy here. You get what you give. > |> > |> Hmm. new word alert. scanning dictionary.com... > |> > |> I've shown ability. Yet, it seems to be ignored, and the > only focus > |> is on my, at times, harsh mails. Hmm, that description > doesn't seem > |> to apply. > |> > |> > Well, honestly, from the emails I've read, didn't sound > |> like you were > |> > contributing any expertise, but rather voicing complaints. > |> > |> Go read again. Jason Dillon and I had quite a discussion, > with both > |> sides learning about the other. > |> > |> > IMHO, I'd rather work with somebody that is blunt. We > |> don't have time to > |> > pussyfoot around here. > |> > |> I'd rather work with someone who is sharp. :) > |> > |> > > How is one supposed to get started with jboss? Where is > |> the voluminous > |> > > documentation on how to start understanding the code, so > |> one can start > |> > > improving the software? > |> > > |> > If you pay the $9.99, there you go ;-) Hmmm, I've never had > |> > trouble figuring out how to contribute..... > |> > |> I haven't had troubvle figuring out how, it's just I haven't been > |> motivated to do so. When I have tried to contribute, it's been > |> ignored, or blasted for > |> being moronic. That doesn't make me want to continue. > |> > |> > > Is jboss-dev not a user list? Isn't discussion on this list a > |> > > form of giving back? > |> > > |> > jboss-dev is not a user list. It is a jboss contributor list. > |> > |> So, one can't answer questions on jboss-dev, and be considering > |> giving back to the community? After all, jboss has a community of > |> developers, and if I can > |> answer some other developer's question, we all benefit. > |> > |> > Again, you get what you give. You're in a sea of good > |> developers here. You > |> > would cringe in fear at some of our resumes. You have to > |> build trust and > |> > respect in this community. We have all already done it and > |> you're not doing > |> > a good job of it so far. > |> > |> I have given. Yet it's been ignored. > |> > |> Also, on a side note, I asked several mails ago(not this > thread), for > |> a nice, 80 char by 3-5 line description of jboss. A nice, easy to > |> understand description, not filled with too many acronyms and buzz > |> phrases. The content > |> on the jboss website is a little wordy for me to try and > |> condense(I've never > |> been good at marketing). > |> > |> Also, as to the status of the Debianization: I am close > to making a > |> public, as it were, release. I've switched both Ean an another > |> internal developer to > |> using my debs. I'm currently working on automatic postgres > |> installation/configuration(few minor tweaks left). apt-get > |> install jboss > |> jboss-jdbc-postgresql, and you'll have a PostgresDS, > HypersonicDS, and > |> DefaultDS(that uses postgresql). Without > |> jboss-jdbc-postgresql installed, > |> DefaultDS will use hypersonic. > |> > |> It's all rather slick. I haven't released publically, > because as I > |> tweak stuff, upgrades between my internal versions might not work, > |> so I needed to > |> keep a tight reign on the files. Soon, however, soon. > |> > |> > |> > |> _______________________________________________ > |> Jboss-development mailing list > |> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > |> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > |> > | > |_______________________________________________ > |Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > > > _______________________________________________ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > > _______________________________________________ > Jboss-development mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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