Let me start off by saying that I don't know what initially sparked this thread, but being an employee of a subsidiary of a very large telco, I can relate to some points Ean Schuessler made. Now, I am not attacking anyone on this list or the JBoss Group, I just want to raise a few issues.
For the past 3 months I have been reviewing app servers to deploy some internal software on. When I take my proposals to my boss, he will ask a lot of the questions Ean Schuessler asked. Let's face it, there are many 'large' companies that use open source software (tomcat, struts, linux, postgres, mysql, php, perl,....), but there aren't many that are using JBoss. It could be that the reason a lot of them haven't looked into JBoss is because of some of the responses on this list made by the people that are behind JBoss. When a company decides to go with a spefic product, it is a long term investment. The company is looking for stability and longevity in the product. Seeing some threads on this lists turns a lot of people away. James Hicks -----Original Message----- From: marc fleury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:56 AM To: Dain Sundstrom; 'Adam Heath'; Bill Burke Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? The situation has been taken care of, the brainfood guys removed from this list, JBoss-dev is for serious contributors and serious technical discussion, I hate waking up and finding 20 mails of flames talking about forking JBoss. I am not going to provide a forum for this on my own lists. I thank all of you for your unanimous response and support, let's keep on kicking some ass, we are there, back to work marcf |-----Original Message----- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dain |Sundstrom |Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 2:36 AM |To: 'Adam Heath'; Bill Burke |Cc: Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net |Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? | | |Adam, | |The reason people don't remember this is because jboss is so easy to deploy |already that they feel a deb is unecessary. So your contribution is not |highly valued, and not remembered. | |-dain | |> -----Original Message----- |> From: Adam Heath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:21 AM |> To: Bill Burke |> Cc: Adam Heath; Jboss-Development@Lists. Sourceforge. Net |> Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] time is up, where is adam heath? |> |> |> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Bill Burke wrote: |> |> > Didn't see your patch, sorry....Well, I actualy couldn't |> find it after |> > looking a little bit. |> |> Message-ID: |> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 14:07:42 -0600 (CST) |> Subject: [PATCH]: [JBoss-dev] can't build jboss from cvs |> |> The above email patches build.xml, only. It does what I |> need, to split the |> tarballs/zips up. |> |> Also, another patch I sent, earlier, contains some |> miscellaneous patches. |> |> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:24:56 -0600 (CST) |> Subject: [JBoss-dev] misc patches needed to make .deb for debian |> |> > Sorry if the JBoss community is not what you're used to. |> It works for us. |> > I am now integrating JBoss into a 2nd production system at |> a 2nd company, |> > with much success, and will be moving onto a 3rd in |> January.. The JBoss |> > community is doing something right. I know from experience. |> |> You have worked at 2 different companies, or did they hire |> you as a consultant |> just to do this integration(not meaning to sound harsh, just being |> inquistive). |> |> > Yes. Who the hell is Adam Heath anyways? (Then you could |> ask, who the hell |> > is Bill Burke? :) |> |> Fair 'nuf. :) |> |> > Don't know what business world you live in, but respect is |> usually earned |> > not given. Sure credentials get you noticed, but after |> that you have to |> > earn the respect of your peers. And yes, we are your |> peers. Only results |> > and money talk in the business world. Unless you're a |> commie. I thought we |> > purged you commies back in the '50s? |> |> I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but true believers in the |> free software |> doctrine could be compared to commies, in theory. |> |> > It doesn't work like that here. Somebody correct me, but, |> IMHO, we have a |> > meritocracy here. You get what you give. |> |> Hmm. new word alert. scanning dictionary.com... |> |> I've shown ability. Yet, it seems to be ignored, and the |> only focus is on my, |> at times, harsh mails. Hmm, that description doesn't seem to apply. |> |> > Well, honestly, from the emails I've read, didn't sound |> like you were |> > contributing any expertise, but rather voicing complaints. |> |> Go read again. Jason Dillon and I had quite a discussion, |> with both sides |> learning about the other. |> |> > IMHO, I'd rather work with somebody that is blunt. We |> don't have time to |> > pussyfoot around here. |> |> I'd rather work with someone who is sharp. :) |> |> > > How is one supposed to get started with jboss? Where is |> the voluminous |> > > documentation on how to start understanding the code, so |> one can start |> > > improving the software? |> > |> > If you pay the $9.99, there you go ;-) Hmmm, I've never had trouble |> > figuring out how to contribute..... |> |> I haven't had troubvle figuring out how, it's just I haven't |> been motivated to |> do so. When I have tried to contribute, it's been ignored, |> or blasted for |> being moronic. That doesn't make me want to continue. |> |> > > Is jboss-dev not a user list? Isn't discussion on this list a |> > > form of giving |> > > back? |> > |> > jboss-dev is not a user list. It is a jboss contributor list. |> |> So, one can't answer questions on jboss-dev, and be |> considering giving back to |> the community? After all, jboss has a community of |> developers, and if I can |> answer some other developer's question, we all benefit. |> |> > Again, you get what you give. You're in a sea of good |> developers here. You |> > would cringe in fear at some of our resumes. You have to |> build trust and |> > respect in this community. We have all already done it and |> you're not doing |> > a good job of it so far. |> |> I have given. Yet it's been ignored. |> |> Also, on a side note, I asked several mails ago(not this |> thread), for a nice, |> 80 char by 3-5 line description of jboss. A nice, easy to understand |> description, not filled with too many acronyms and buzz |> phrases. The content |> on the jboss website is a little wordy for me to try and |> condense(I've never |> been good at marketing). |> |> Also, as to the status of the Debianization: I am close to |> making a public, |> as it were, release. I've switched both Ean an another |> internal developer to |> using my debs. I'm currently working on automatic postgres |> installation/configuration(few minor tweaks left). apt-get |> install jboss |> jboss-jdbc-postgresql, and you'll have a PostgresDS, HypersonicDS, and |> DefaultDS(that uses postgresql). Without |> jboss-jdbc-postgresql installed, |> DefaultDS will use hypersonic. |> |> It's all rather slick. I haven't released publically, |> because as I tweak |> stuff, upgrades between my internal versions might not work, |> so I needed to |> keep a tight reign on the files. 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