|>The interview states very clearly where I stand... | |Actually, your comments in the interview came though like an unwarranted |attack against Jakarta whereas now your concern seems to be focused on the |business model which is a very legitimate concern.
I am sorry if the interview ruffled some feathers. My intention was not to attack Jakarta. It was simply to state my view that JBoss Group and Jakarta have different agendas. JBoss Group does not aspire to be a non-profit organization. We actually want to pay for J2EE certification. Also, we are extremely protective of our independence. My feeling is that IBM is calling the shots at Apache right now. The JBoss LGPL license and JBoss Group brand are an important part of our business, as is our independence from larger organizations. |>The Apache Foundation model is incompatible with our professional |vision. I |>view the ASF as a failure of the open source business model. I view Linux |>as an even bigger failure of the open source business model, so you see... |>:). | |Apache is rather big, Linux is even bigger. So characterizing |Apache or Linux |as one big flop is inaccurate. I don't think Apache is about financial |success. |We measure success by a different yardstick. I would even adventure to say |that we don't really measure it. I never called Apache a flop. I only stated my opinion that it's not independent developers calling the shots, but IBM and to a lesser degree Sun. Apache is a big success from an open source standpoint, Linux is king in that category. But we want to move beyond simple open source success. We want a business model that favors the developers in the group. By this measure, the business of Linux is small, the developers are in their corner, the Linux distrubtors in another. Apache... httpd? as a protitable market? Financially, it's been victimized by its own success. There's no way to make an independent living out of it. If that's what you and the Apache guys want, that's fine. It's just not what we want for JBoss. J2EE is a different beast altogether. Everyone says Open Source needs services as a b-model, well J2EE is an inherently rich deep integration field. We want to be a player in it. We feel, it is only by earning money that we can achieve our independence and we simply would rather deal with clients than donors. Fact is that there's no free lunch. "You're going to have to serve somebody"--in the words of Bob Dylan. We want to choose who we serve and how. We are about commoditizing the appserver and getting paid as developers. The major thrust of corporate software is about pursuing the reverse, commoditize the developer and make people pay through the nose for the software. JBoss Group is the professional umbrella for a core group of developers and affiliates. |Why do you think you couldn't pursue the same goals within Apache? What is |there to prevent you? See above: it's about maintaining independence vis a vis other corporations and being able to choose the license we want. It's about the JBoss Group brand and benefiting the JBoss developers. Furthermore, right now Apache is not a J2EE play. You have excellent software (your own log4J, XML parsers, ANT, etc.), but when it comes to J2EE you only have 20%, with Tomcat JSP servlet spec (done by Sun). We already implement the other 80% (EJB, JMS, JCA, JMX, etc). With Jetty, we have the full stack, including HTTPD. We respect your work and philosophy. There's room for difference. Peace, marcf _______________________________________________ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
