Jim Archer wrote:
>
> > <no offense meant>
>
> None taken!
>
> I don't mind the server applying defaults, as long as they are documented.
> It would be nice to not have to worry about things like that during the
> development phase.
>
> However, if I screw somthing up, and set it wrong, I would prefer the
> server not "fix" it. I would love a really, nice descriptive error message.
>
> Jim
>
I would like to second, third and fourth this opinion. I spent the past
two years working with an ODBMS product, which out of politeness, shall
remain nameless. The error messages produced by this product were
generally not only useless, but incredibly misleading. By my estimates,
I wasted approximately 4 months out of 2 years dealing with problems
that could not be solved by me and my co-developer, nor by this vendor's
support team. It's my understanding that you want JBOSS to be not only
a very cool product, but one that sets the industry standard on ease of
use. IMHO, 2 things will contribute to the ease of use - good doc
(which I know you guys haven't had the time to create as yet - and which
I very much look forward to) and *very* good error messages. Set the
standard in user friendly error messages and you will get a huge and
dedicated audience - myself included.
Thanks,
Rick Horowitz
> --On Friday, May 19, 2000 11:43 AM -0700 marc fleury
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jim,
> >
> > <no offense meant>
> >
> > You were the "prototypical" newby user about 3 weeks ago ;-)
> >
> > Don't tell me you want 50 messages telling you, "[ERROR] you forgot to
> > configure the stateless FIFO pool", since we had problems even in the
> > standard ejb-jar.xml and classpath settings (again no offense, i did
> > the same 2 weeks ago).
> >
> > Getting any software to run in EJB is daunting enough that we should
> > make the path "easy" (a la "naive" jBoss 1.0) instead of asking you to
> > answer all these questions. You don't care and you don't want to care
> > about the questions.
> >
> > The features are for the power user (you will certainly become given
> > your fearlessness) and the startups that need a custom adaptable
> > container.
> >
> > </no offense meant>
> >
> > regards
> >
> > marc
> >
> >
> > Jim Archer wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree with this assessment. I hade the same thoughts when I first saw
> >> these messages, but just didn't have time to comment.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Mats.
> >>
> >> --On Friday, May 19, 2000 5:35 PM +0200 Mats Lofkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Regarding 'smart fallbacks' for missing values, I would prefer
> >> > a clear error message stating exactly what information is missing.
> >> >
> >> > This makes the error being detected (and hopefully corrected)
> >> > immediately instead of popping up from nowhere e.g. when moving
> >> > the deployment descriptors to another container.
> >> >
> >> > All 'features' that hide my errors are bad, imho.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > /mats
> >> >
> >> >
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