Ok we got the message we will fix the container deployer messages.
marc
Rick Horowitz wrote:
>
> Jim Archer wrote:
> >
> > > <no offense meant>
> >
> > None taken!
> >
> > I don't mind the server applying defaults, as long as they are documented.
> > It would be nice to not have to worry about things like that during the
> > development phase.
> >
> > However, if I screw somthing up, and set it wrong, I would prefer the
> > server not "fix" it. I would love a really, nice descriptive error message.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> I would like to second, third and fourth this opinion. I spent the past
> two years working with an ODBMS product, which out of politeness, shall
> remain nameless. The error messages produced by this product were
> generally not only useless, but incredibly misleading. By my estimates,
> I wasted approximately 4 months out of 2 years dealing with problems
> that could not be solved by me and my co-developer, nor by this vendor's
> support team. It's my understanding that you want JBOSS to be not only
> a very cool product, but one that sets the industry standard on ease of
> use. IMHO, 2 things will contribute to the ease of use - good doc
> (which I know you guys haven't had the time to create as yet - and which
> I very much look forward to) and *very* good error messages. Set the
> standard in user friendly error messages and you will get a huge and
> dedicated audience - myself included.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick Horowitz
>
> > --On Friday, May 19, 2000 11:43 AM -0700 marc fleury
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > <no offense meant>
> > >
> > > You were the "prototypical" newby user about 3 weeks ago ;-)
> > >
> > > Don't tell me you want 50 messages telling you, "[ERROR] you forgot to
> > > configure the stateless FIFO pool", since we had problems even in the
> > > standard ejb-jar.xml and classpath settings (again no offense, i did
> > > the same 2 weeks ago).
> > >
> > > Getting any software to run in EJB is daunting enough that we should
> > > make the path "easy" (a la "naive" jBoss 1.0) instead of asking you to
> > > answer all these questions. You don't care and you don't want to care
> > > about the questions.
> > >
> > > The features are for the power user (you will certainly become given
> > > your fearlessness) and the startups that need a custom adaptable
> > > container.
> > >
> > > </no offense meant>
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > marc
> > >
> > >
> > > Jim Archer wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I agree with this assessment. I hade the same thoughts when I first saw
> > >> these messages, but just didn't have time to comment.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, Mats.
> > >>
> > >> --On Friday, May 19, 2000 5:35 PM +0200 Mats Lofkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Regarding 'smart fallbacks' for missing values, I would prefer
> > >> > a clear error message stating exactly what information is missing.
> > >> >
> > >> > This makes the error being detected (and hopefully corrected)
> > >> > immediately instead of popping up from nowhere e.g. when moving
> > >> > the deployment descriptors to another container.
> > >> >
> > >> > All 'features' that hide my errors are bad, imho.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > /mats
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
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