wow you are really crazy...
|I am glad to hear that but the last sentence I cannot stay as it is because
|it is not true.
it might be "optimistic" (that we will replace WL and WS overnight) but
there is some truth in what he says.
|Even when they are expensive they come with (at least missing in JBoss
|NOW):
|- Clustering
correct, being worked on
|- Failover
correct being worked on
|- Administration GUI
incorrect localhost 8082 with Java Management eXtensions.
|- References
well sure not as many as WebLogic
|- Some with up to date EJB spec. support
you mean 2.0? Websphere is certainly NOT there. From what we hear from the
trenches WebSphere is not 1.1 compliant look at reviews of our they are
slammed.
|I like how JBoss is designed, implemented and how the project become
|more and more mature but I (IMO) wouldn't suggest JBoss for an enterprise
|to use in a high-end productive environment (regarding to performance,
|scalability and down time).
hmmmm scalability and performance are not the issue here. These are rather
excellent (show me 2000 RMI clients on WebSphere and a medium wintel
machine, yes the "logical stubs" are paying big time).
Corporate ownership is the problem here. The fact that you go against
products pushed by IBM or BEA is a big issue of credibility in my mind.
I will take the points you made at face value (and I commented them) but I
will guarantee you that the battle in front of us IS NOT A TECHNOLOGICAL
ONE, IT IS A MARKETING ONE.
|I think there is a reason (not only the brand name) why Weblogic or Web-
|Sphere is pricy and as a consultant you should respect that to support your
|client as best as possible.
That is very true and if you were such a good independent you would not
recommend WebSphere today :)
|BUT this does not mean we cannot kick some asses in BEA and IBM,
|so let's do it.
There are also fields where we shine.
1 the price, don't forget the price :) although it seems it plays against us
in the beginning
2 the API bundling, we aggregate fast from all the Open Source field with
ClassLoader integration etc
3 JMX JMX JMX JMX JMX JMX JMX JMX JMX JMX JMX
BEA is today in Beta with JMX. I have no doubt that 6.0 is going to be a
good product, I also know JBoss 2.0 leads in certain aspects, mostly we
built it from the ground up on JMX to be manageable in production and in
farms.
So, don't get me wrong I don't doubt one instant that we have what we need
to be in the top 3 in the near future, that marketing is going to be most
important and that we need to ride the OpenSource marketing wave as much as
we can.
Right now we need a big reference.
I also believe we can own this market... fully.
marc
|
|Have fun - Mad Andy / Better Pizza
|
|Senior Java Developer
|eBuilt Inc. (www.ebuilt.com)
|
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|----- Original Message -----
|From: "Kemp Randy-W18971" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:08 AM
|Subject: [jBoss-User] J2EE technologies
|
|
|> I have read the jboss decisions about how J2EE fits in and how newcomers
|can learn this technology. I also agree with the reference to Enterprise
|JavaBeans by Richard Monson-Haefel, which is a great book. My
|suggestion is
|to take some examples and play with them. Take a couple of great EJB
|servers, like Jboss and Orion (with it's free development license, at
|www.orionserver.com), and look into Richard Monson-Haefel own
|implementation
|of openEJB when it's available (www.openEJB.org). I would stay away from
|Jonas, as you need to play configuration games. If you get two or three
|good EJB servers running, like the one's I mentioned, try porting some
|developed applications to the different EJB servers and play with them. If
|you need to play with another web server talking to an EJB application, try
|Resin. Stay away from the high priced implementations, unless you like to
|give away money (in which case, I would gladly accept donations). Keep up
|the great work, Jboss crew.
|>
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