I have this peace of code:

<a4j:region renderRegionOnly="false">
  |                                         <h:selectOneMenu id="hrs" 
value="#{kfz.hersteller}" required="true" 
  |                                             <s:selectItems 
value="#{herstellersList}" var="her" label="#{her.bezeichnung}" 
noSelectionLabel="Bitte waehlen..." />
  | <f:converter converterId="myConverter" />
  |                                             <a4j:support event="onchange" 
action="#{fahrzeugin.setKmodel}"
  |                                                          
reRender="modelsel" />
  |                                         </h:selectOneMenu>
  |                                     </a4j:region>
  | 

There are a way to read out in converter #{herstellersList} without factory 
methode will fired? 

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