So I now *what* caused it but not the *why*.  (and maybe this post should go to 
the security forum but no clue how to X-post here).
In the ejb jar that I create, I use the security-domain element to specify the 
security realm I defined.  The reason for this was that I had to do that if I 
wanted to secure ejbs that are called from MBeans. What I saw was that if I 
defined a user/role in the jmx-console realm, I was able to call ejbs even when 
that jmx-console role was NOT defined in the EJBs rolesAllowed annotation; it 
started working correctly after I added the security-domain element to the ejb. 
 Having this in in now, however 'causes the authentication exception during the 
mbeans start execution.  ( the reason I mucking with this is that I don't want 
people f.e. to use twiddle or like code to call mbeans that they are not 
allowed 
Now I *guess* that I need to muck around with the client-login realm defined in 
the login-config.xml 

So much to learn, so little time lol

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