Does that mean JBoss Group is no longer working towards
J2EE certification?  Can you get certified without a CMP engine?

JD

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [JBoss-user] JBoss welcomes the Hibernate project


JBoss 3.2 is a production release and will not change except for bug 
fixes and performance improvements.

Starting in JBoss 4 the old CMP2 engine will be slowly phased out.  Much 
as we phased out the JAWS CMP 1.1 implementation in JBoss 3.  JBoss 4 
CMP2 will be written on top of Hibernate's persistence engine.  The old 
CMP2 engine will be usable with JBoss 4 if so desired, but will be 
deprecated and removed in the future.

Bill



Nicholas wrote:

> What does this mean for CMP2 support in JBoss 3 and 4
> ? Will you continue to develop it by implementing the
> spec. with Hibernate ? Or will CMP users continue to
> use the current engine ? Or something else ?
> 
> 
> 
> --- Bill Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>Hibernate will be replacing JBossDO.  Gavin is on
>>JDO 2 expert 
>>committee.  Alex will be joining it shortly too and
>>is already on mail 
>>list for JDO 2.
>>
>>Barlow, Dustin wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Will Hybernate also be used to implement JBoss'
>>
>>JDO solution (ie JBossDO) as
>>
>>>well?
>>>
>>>Dustin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Bill Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:07 PM
>>>>To: Jboss-Dev; JBoss 2
>>>>Subject: [JBoss-user] JBoss welcomes the Hibernate
>>
>>project
>>
>>>>
>>>>All,
>>>>
>>>>I would sincerely like to welcome Gavin and
>>
>>Hibernate to the 
>>
>>>>JBoss Group 
>>>>and JBoss.org umbrella.  I can't tell you how
>>
>>incredibly psyched and 
>>
>>>>excited we at JBoss are about this.  Over the past
>>
>>year, I can't tell 
>>
>>>>you how many times we've encountered customers
>>
>>that are using 
>>
>>>>Hibernate 
>>>>or are looking to use Hibernate to replace the
>>
>>clunky design that EJB 
>>
>>>>CMP is.
>>>>
>>>>Technically this is a perfect marriage for both
>>
>>projects.  We 
>>
>>>>at JBoss 
>>>>have been looking at replacing our aging CMP
>>
>>persistence for 
>>
>>>>over a year 
>>>>now in JBoss 4.0.  We are excited that we will be
>>
>>able to leverage 
>>
>>>>Hibernate as the backbone of our persistence
>>
>>solutions rather than 
>>
>>>>having to patch our existing, aging solution or
>>
>>rewriting it from 
>>
>>>>scratch.  Hibernate will also become part of our
>>
>>POJO/AOP 
>>
>>>>based solution 
>>>>and a key component of our aspect-oriented
>>
>>middleware 
>>
>>>>offering.  These 
>>>>two things alone will expand the userbase and
>>
>>developer base of 
>>
>>>>Hibernate.  This means more people finding bugs
>>
>>and more 
>>
>>>>people fixing bugs.
>>>>
>>>>JBoss developers have also done a lot of
>>
>>distributed caching 
>>
>>>>work that 
>>>>will be applicable to Hibernate.  We will also
>>
>>help Gavin 
>>
>>>>create tighter 
>>>>integration of Hibernate with JBoss for those of
>>
>>you who are 
>>
>>>>interested 
>>>>in that.  Things like packaged Hibernate
>>
>>components that can be 
>>
>>>>hot-deployed.  JMX management of Hibernate
>>
>>components.  Those 
>>
>>>>are just a 
>>>>few of the things that we can introduce.
>>>>
>>>>JBoss Group is proud to pionner a model we call
>>
>>"Professional Open
>>
>>>>Source" whereby JBoss.org grows and JBoss Group
>>
>>recruits the 
>>
>>>>top talent
>>>
>>>>from succesful open source efforts.  It enables
>>
>>developers to work
>>
>>>>fulltime, become pro, on their own projects. 
>>
>>Recently JBoss Group
>>
>>>>recruited Remy Maucherat, the lead developer of
>>
>>Tomcat 5, Julien Viet
>>
>>>>the developer of Nukes, Bela Ban, creator of
>>
>>JavaGroups, more are 
>>
>>>>coming.  JBG offers the rare opportunity to turn
>>
>>from hobbyist open 
>>
>>>>source to professional open source.  All core
>>
>>JBoss 
>>
>>>>developers are pro 
>>>>themselves(myself included). JBoss Group
>>
>>professional open source 
>>
>>>>sponsors the top developers to work full time on
>>
>>their 
>>
>>>>projects and thus 
>>>>provides a boost to the projects involved by
>>
>>sponsoring their 
>>
>>>>leaders. 
>>>>Finally the availability of professional services
>>
>>is a boost to 
>>
>>>>corporate adoption of succesful open source
>>
>>projects such as 
>>
>>>>Hibernate. 
>>>> We strongly believe this is the way of the
>>
>>future at JBoss.
>>
>>>>All and all, I hope you all look favorably on this
>>
>>new 
>>
>>>>relationship.  I 
>>>>know I do.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks all!
>>>>
>>>>Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-- 
>>>>================
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>>>>Chief Architect
>>>>JBoss Group LLC.
>>>>================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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