ok, oops sorry, would help to read the other responses first..eh?

-----Original Message-----
From: Butt, Dudley 
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 1:58 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [JBoss-user] JBoss welcomes the Hibernate project


Hi,

I understand Hibernate is not currently JDO compliant, is there anything in the 
pipeline with regards to this, or what are the views around the
subject?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Burke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 8:07 PM
To: Jboss-Dev; JBoss 2
Subject: [JBoss-user] JBoss welcomes the Hibernate project


All,

I would sincerely like to welcome Gavin and Hibernate to the JBoss Group 
and JBoss.org umbrella.  I can't tell you how incredibly psyched and 
excited we at JBoss are about this.  Over the past year, I can't tell 
you how many times we've encountered customers that are using Hibernate 
or are looking to use Hibernate to replace the clunky design that EJB 
CMP is.

Technically this is a perfect marriage for both projects.  We at JBoss 
have been looking at replacing our aging CMP persistence for over a year 
now in JBoss 4.0.  We are excited that we will be able to leverage 
Hibernate as the backbone of our persistence solutions rather than 
having to patch our existing, aging solution or rewriting it from 
scratch.  Hibernate will also become part of our POJO/AOP based solution 
and a key component of our aspect-oriented middleware offering.  These 
two things alone will expand the userbase and developer base of 
Hibernate.  This means more people finding bugs and more people fixing bugs.

JBoss developers have also done a lot of distributed caching work that 
will be applicable to Hibernate.  We will also help Gavin create tighter 
integration of Hibernate with JBoss for those of you who are interested 
in that.  Things like packaged Hibernate components that can be 
hot-deployed.  JMX management of Hibernate components.  Those are just a 
few of the things that we can introduce.

JBoss Group is proud to pionner a model we call "Professional Open
Source" whereby JBoss.org grows and JBoss Group recruits the top talent
from succesful open source efforts.  It enables developers to work
fulltime, become pro, on their own projects.  Recently JBoss Group
recruited Remy Maucherat, the lead developer of Tomcat 5, Julien Viet
the developer of Nukes, Bela Ban, creator of JavaGroups, more are 
coming.  JBG offers the rare opportunity to turn from hobbyist open 
source to professional open source.  All core JBoss developers are pro 
themselves(myself included). JBoss Group professional open source 
sponsors the top developers to work full time on their projects and thus 
provides a boost to the projects involved by sponsoring their leaders. 
Finally the availability of professional services is a boost to 
corporate adoption of succesful open source projects such as Hibernate. 
  We strongly believe this is the way of the future at JBoss.

All and all, I hope you all look favorably on this new relationship.  I 
know I do.

Thanks all!

Bill


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Bill Burke
Chief Architect
JBoss Group LLC.
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