Yes, very good points. Perhaps we should start an Advocacy JIG to organize efforts to put Jabber into more of a spotlight and to answer intelligently questions that are posed to us.
Justin On Thursday, November 15, 2001, at 05:18 PM, Ragavan S wrote: > Hi, > > To be fair to Rikard, I think his message came out of the desire to > make people aware of Jabber. The approach he suggested may not be the > most appropriate one, but I think his intention is clear. > > I am also of the opinion that we definitely need to get more publicity > than what we have right now. If you look at it, MSN/Yahoo/AOL all have > a LOT of publicitly and they also advertise shamelessly (albeit on > their own sites and their partner's sites), so I don't see anything > wrong with us Jabberites doing that. I would really hate to see Jabber > not playing a big role in the still 'standard-less' IM world and also > in the broader realm of app-2-app routing. Right now, most of the > publicity seems to be confined to organizations that are using Jabber > internally and to the Open Source world. > > I think we can start with first making sure the majority of the Linux > world starts hearing about Jabber (which may already be the case) and > then moving on to a broader base of users. > > I strongly believe that Jabber has a LOT of potential to influence the > way IM (and XML routing) shapes up in the coming future. But, I also > feel that there needs to be a lot more 'awareness-building' among the > general population if we are to pose a serious threat to the likes of > MSN/AOL/Yahoo AND to make a strong case to the Standards bodies. > > One simple suggestion would be to say start showing small ads on sites > that Open Source folks frequent (like O'Reilly sites, Slashdot, > Freshmeat etc). With the help of people like Tim O'Reilly, Craig > Burton, Dave Winer, Doc Searls etc (all Jabber enthusiasts), I am sure > we can start getting the word around and become more noticeable. > > My 0.02 paise. > > Regards, > Ragavan > > > >> I tend to agree. Not to mention that we'd give them a reason to block >> us. Think of it this way, AOL is blocking various Jabber clients out of >> spite and some vague notion of "illegal network traffic". However, >> Yahoo!, >> Microsoft and ICQ (while owned by AOL) have more or less left us >> alone. Yet Yahoo! and Microsoft are both business ventures, and they >> probably have left us alone becuase our distribution is fairly >> minor. However, if we start actively recruiting users through their >> networks, they are likely to be more upset. With just a couple >> hundred/thousand Jabber users accessing their networking, its >> probably a >> minor annoyance, but if people start leaving en masse, it does damage >> to >> their business model, and if we are actively attacking their bottom >> line, >> there will probably be repercussions/retaliation. They may even >> actively >> attempt to block Jabber servers from accessing their networks, and if >> this >> happens we're back where we started -- running multiple clients. >> >> Not to mention I would find it rather annoying should I be running >> Yahoo!'s client or MSN Messenger and when a friend of mine said "Hi, >> how >> are you doing?" it was automatically converted to "Hi, how are you >> doing? -- This message brought to you by Jabber. >> http://www.jabber.org/";. >> >> Regards. >> >> Ben >> >> >> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Justin Mecham wrote: >> > I am totally against any sort of advertising such as this. Even >> though I >> > want to get the word out about Jabber I don't think this is the right >> > way. If you are chatting with those people anyways, just mention >> Jabber >> > to them yourself. If I were not using Jabber and received this >> message I >> > would be extremely annoyed and would likely never try Jabber, but >> that's >> > just me. >> > >> > Another point is that having any sort of static or repetative string >> of >> > text in messages to the networks we are trying to interoperate with, >> we >> > are providing them with a fingerprint with which they can block us >> with. >> > All they have to do is detect messages that contain that string and >> they >> > can easily drop that message or disconnect you from the server, >> > rendering your transport useless. >> > >> > I want more people to use Jabber as much as anyone, but forcing our >> > message onto people who may not want it or even care about it is a >> bad >> > idea. >> > >> > Justin >> > >> > On Thursday, November 15, 2001, at 01:52 PM, Rikard Linde wrote: >> > > Hi. Today I read news about people using multiple IM >> > > clients!! This made me upset so I wrote a message to >> > > Jabber people who are in a position to do something >> > > about this. Here's a short summary of the message: >> > > >> > > By attaching a message to each stream going to other >> > > networks (ICQ, MSN, Yahoo...) Jabber can promote >> > > interoperability and itself. This capability is unique >> > > to Jabber as it is the only interoperable IM platform. >> > > >> > > You can read the entire message at: >> > > >> > > http://www.sprinterface.com/rikard/promoteinteroperability.html >> > > >> > > What do you think? What's good about it? What's bad >> > > about it? Alternatives? >> > > If you think this is a good idea I'd be glad if you >> > > influnced people in a position to do something about >> > > it (people running servers, people coding transports, >> > > the Jabber council etcetera). >> > > >> > > Rikard >> > > >> > > _____________________________________________________ >> > > Do You Yahoo!? >> > > se.yahoo.com >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > jdev mailing list >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > jdev mailing list >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> jdev mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > _______________________________________________ > jdev mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
