As Chief Evangelist, I'd be happy to lead the charge. :) Peter
-- Peter Saint-Andre email+jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] weblog: http://stpeter.manilasites.com/ On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Justin Mecham wrote: > Yes, very good points. > > Perhaps we should start an Advocacy JIG to organize efforts to put > Jabber into more of a spotlight and to answer intelligently questions > that are posed to us. > > Justin > > > On Thursday, November 15, 2001, at 05:18 PM, Ragavan S wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > To be fair to Rikard, I think his message came out of the desire to > > make people aware of Jabber. The approach he suggested may not be the > > most appropriate one, but I think his intention is clear. > > > > I am also of the opinion that we definitely need to get more publicity > > than what we have right now. If you look at it, MSN/Yahoo/AOL all have > > a LOT of publicitly and they also advertise shamelessly (albeit on > > their own sites and their partner's sites), so I don't see anything > > wrong with us Jabberites doing that. I would really hate to see Jabber > > not playing a big role in the still 'standard-less' IM world and also > > in the broader realm of app-2-app routing. Right now, most of the > > publicity seems to be confined to organizations that are using Jabber > > internally and to the Open Source world. > > > > I think we can start with first making sure the majority of the Linux > > world starts hearing about Jabber (which may already be the case) and > > then moving on to a broader base of users. > > > > I strongly believe that Jabber has a LOT of potential to influence the > > way IM (and XML routing) shapes up in the coming future. But, I also > > feel that there needs to be a lot more 'awareness-building' among the > > general population if we are to pose a serious threat to the likes of > > MSN/AOL/Yahoo AND to make a strong case to the Standards bodies. > > > > One simple suggestion would be to say start showing small ads on sites > > that Open Source folks frequent (like O'Reilly sites, Slashdot, > > Freshmeat etc). With the help of people like Tim O'Reilly, Craig > > Burton, Dave Winer, Doc Searls etc (all Jabber enthusiasts), I am sure > > we can start getting the word around and become more noticeable. > > > > My 0.02 paise. > > > > Regards, > > Ragavan > > > > > > > >> I tend to agree. Not to mention that we'd give them a reason to block > >> us. Think of it this way, AOL is blocking various Jabber clients out of > >> spite and some vague notion of "illegal network traffic". However, > >> Yahoo!, > >> Microsoft and ICQ (while owned by AOL) have more or less left us > >> alone. Yet Yahoo! and Microsoft are both business ventures, and they > >> probably have left us alone becuase our distribution is fairly > >> minor. However, if we start actively recruiting users through their > >> networks, they are likely to be more upset. With just a couple > >> hundred/thousand Jabber users accessing their networking, its > >> probably a > >> minor annoyance, but if people start leaving en masse, it does damage > >> to > >> their business model, and if we are actively attacking their bottom > >> line, > >> there will probably be repercussions/retaliation. They may even > >> actively > >> attempt to block Jabber servers from accessing their networks, and if > >> this > >> happens we're back where we started -- running multiple clients. > >> > >> Not to mention I would find it rather annoying should I be running > >> Yahoo!'s client or MSN Messenger and when a friend of mine said "Hi, > >> how > >> are you doing?" it was automatically converted to "Hi, how are you > >> doing? -- This message brought to you by Jabber. > >> http://www.jabber.org/";. > >> > >> Regards. > >> > >> Ben > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Justin Mecham wrote: > >> > I am totally against any sort of advertising such as this. Even > >> though I > >> > want to get the word out about Jabber I don't think this is the right > >> > way. If you are chatting with those people anyways, just mention > >> Jabber > >> > to them yourself. If I were not using Jabber and received this > >> message I > >> > would be extremely annoyed and would likely never try Jabber, but > >> that's > >> > just me. > >> > > >> > Another point is that having any sort of static or repetative string > >> of > >> > text in messages to the networks we are trying to interoperate with, > >> we > >> > are providing them with a fingerprint with which they can block us > >> with. > >> > All they have to do is detect messages that contain that string and > >> they > >> > can easily drop that message or disconnect you from the server, > >> > rendering your transport useless. > >> > > >> > I want more people to use Jabber as much as anyone, but forcing our > >> > message onto people who may not want it or even care about it is a > >> bad > >> > idea. > >> > > >> > Justin > >> > > >> > On Thursday, November 15, 2001, at 01:52 PM, Rikard Linde wrote: > >> > > Hi. Today I read news about people using multiple IM > >> > > clients!! This made me upset so I wrote a message to > >> > > Jabber people who are in a position to do something > >> > > about this. Here's a short summary of the message: > >> > > > >> > > By attaching a message to each stream going to other > >> > > networks (ICQ, MSN, Yahoo...) Jabber can promote > >> > > interoperability and itself. This capability is unique > >> > > to Jabber as it is the only interoperable IM platform. > >> > > > >> > > You can read the entire message at: > >> > > > >> > > http://www.sprinterface.com/rikard/promoteinteroperability.html > >> > > > >> > > What do you think? What's good about it? What's bad > >> > > about it? Alternatives? > >> > > If you think this is a good idea I'd be glad if you > >> > > influnced people in a position to do something about > >> > > it (people running servers, people coding transports, > >> > > the Jabber council etcetera). > >> > > > >> > > Rikard > >> > > > >> > > _____________________________________________________ > >> > > Do You Yahoo!? > >> > > se.yahoo.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > jdev mailing list > >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > jdev mailing list > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> jdev mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > _______________________________________________ > > jdev mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev > > _______________________________________________ > jdev mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev > _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
