After reading through the long thread, I thought I'd put a response in from Jabber Inc.'s perspective.
I am new with Jabber Inc., having started a few weeks ago as their CTO. Though new with Jabber, I am not unfamiliar with Open Source, having worked on Open Source projects from both the Open Source and Corporate view for the past 7 years. I am not prepared to make specific technical recommendations at this time, but I'd like to state where I see Jabber Inc. working with both the foundation and the Open Source code going forward, and the efforts at a high level that the Jabber movement needs to accomplish to become a long term established project. Jabber Inc. wants to further Jabber as a protocol basis into many products - both Open and Closed - as fast as possible. I began the discussion about this at the jabber Foundation meeting this week. http://perl.jabber.org/logs/conference.jabber.org/foundation/2002-01-09.html To begin to be adopted as a more mainstream protocol, Jabber needs to be adopted through a recognized body, in addition to the Foundation standards work. I think the IETF http://www.ietf.org is the appropriate forum for this universal adoption. My thoughts for submission are as follows: 1) Submit the Jabber protocol as a draft submitted for historical and archival information purposes The intent is for it to be an easy way to research the historical Jabber protocol (pre -Xmpp) for the technical community Worldwide 2) Second simultaneous submission to be the future Xmpp (post Jabber JNG) protocol This will allow Jabber to begin to flesh out many of the issues discussed in this thread, such as the store and forward mechanism. We don't want to reinvent the wheel as somebody stated in the thread, but leverage areas that work and use the unique properties of Jabber to re-invigorate the areas we can. I hope we can have a standards submission ready to discuss in person at the March IETF meeting in Minneapolis. http://www.ietf.org/meetings/meetings.html To give you an idea of why I am focusing on the standards area, here are areas that different group are working to get Instant messaging and presence standards implemented. It shows a lot of interest in the IT world, but no unified direction. Its time that Jabber takes the lead in these areas. Jabber (old submission) http://docs.jabber.org/rfc/draft-miller-impp-jabber-00.txt IETF - IMPP http://www.imppwg.org/ IETF - SIP presence #1 http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-simple-presence-04.txt #2 http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sip-message-00.txt IETF - Simple http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/simple-charter.html IETF - PRIM http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/prim-charter.html Wireless Village http://www.wireless-village.org/ PAM http://www.pamforum.org/ IM Unified http://www.imunified.org/ SMS Forum http://smsforum.net/ Related standards: BeepCore http://www.bxxp.org/beepcore/home.jsp ITU - working on IM and Presence in their protocol 3GBP - working on IM and Presence in their protocol IEEE - working on IM and Presence in their protocol Out of all of these efforts, the IETF fits the Open Source model the best and can help make the Jabber protocol adopted worldwide, even beyond the large base of users we now have. I hope the other efforts can be persuaded to use our technology as a much more superior way of communicating and showing presence online. By focusing on getting standards adopted, we can flesh out many of the areas that work and those that need work for the JNG. And Jabber has the ultimate reference implementation, much like Apache does for http. Look for our externally focused standards efforts to be posted on Jabber.org. I invite everyone from the community to help get Jabber adopted as a universal protocol on the Web. In conclusion, I hope that the community will help drive adoption and that the Jabber Open Source efforts become the ultimate reference implementation of the adopted standard. James Barry Chief Technical Officer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 303.308.3275 JID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Bauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 5:48 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [JDEV] The Important Things > > > > Kind of picking up on my own thread, what exactly are the important > things? > > B) > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > Michael Bauer http://www.michaelbauer.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _______________________________________________ > jdev mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev > _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
