Dave wrote: > Asking your ISP to setup a Jabber server if you don't mind maintaining > it yourself may be possible even if your ISP is having financial > difficulties. An IM system is certainly a "feature" your ISP can list - a > feature that many companies pay dearly for. Your ISP instantly moves into > a new class when it incorperates IM as a standard feature in its offering.
I'll try it some day :)... > > As for your comment about them realizing the full power of Jabber, > I think you're a little too much of an optimist. It's good, though, > IMHO: we need more optimists in the world. I know that I can be a little to much of an optimist, but hey, I'm only 20 years old, I'm only starting to learn the hard reality ;-) > - Dave > > > Mattias Campe wrote: > >>Dave wrote: >> >>>Reply inline: >>> >>> - Dave >>> >>> >>>Mattias Campe wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Dave wrote: >>>> >>> >>[...] >> >>>>>Also, I think we should all list our JIDs as early as possible in our >>>>>contact info lists. Having our email addresses and Jabber IDs be the >>>>>same is also good, because it gives us a measurable advantage over all >>>>>other major IM systems with the exception of MSN (although why anybody >>>>>would want to use Hotmail over Yahoo! Mail at this point is beyond me) >>>>>in terms of consistency. >>>> >>>>[...] >>>> >>>>I personally don't think that a lot of people need another e-mail >>>>addres. Maybe it's better to write libraries that client developers can >>>>use to check their existing e-mail adress(es) for new e-mail. Of course >>>>you could make it a server thing and having the info through headlines. >>>>Then every client automatically would support this notification (of >>>>course if the server supports it) >>> >>>Nonono ... I'm not talking about getting another email address; I'm talking about >using your domain (which you're probably already using for email) for Jabber too, so >you can have your JID be the same as your already-existing email addy :-) >> >>Sorry, I misunderstood. Than I also like the idea ;-) >> >> >>> >>>>>Lastly, of course (how many people have already shouted this?), >>>>>getting ISPs to setup a tiny Linux box running a Jabber server for >>>>>their subscribers would be great, and getting users to ask their ISPs >>>>>to provide Jabber servers may be even better. >>>> >>>>Imagine how it would be if the Jabber Community could be convinced of >>>>the use of Jabber! Well, reality is different, real life example: my ISP >>>>provided a CD-Rom with some software on it, like IE and Netscape. Guess >>>>what sort of IM systems were on it? Jup, ICQ and MSN, not a byte, not >>>>even a bit was devoted to Jabber :( ... >>> >>>Have you tried complaining to your ISP that they don't "support" >>>Jabber, or some other type of rediculous accusation just to get their >>>awareness up? >> >>To be honest: no. The problem is that my ISP has some financial problems >> so I think they won't change. Of course if I do not try it, they >>probably never change... >> >> >>>>Of course if ISPs would have a Jabber server, then I hope that they make >>>>it clear enough to the people that they actually can choose any server >>>>they want. Otherwise people will think that Jabber just is another >>>>proprietary IM system. >>> >>>If an ISP is willing to use Jabber, I'll say "Thank you very much" and >>>avoid picking any further. Users will figure out whatever they want >>>whenever they want, but the reality is that most users don't seem to >>>mind being "locked in" even when we're talking about _real_ proprietary >>>protocols (e.g. AIM, ICQ, YIM, MSNM, etc.). You certainly won't see me >>>complaining about people unknowningly using an open IM system ;-) >> >>But if they would understand what Jabber is all about, it would be even >>greater :D . >> >> >>>>>Clearly, we need to reveal the "secret" of Jabber, because at the moment, >>>>>Jabber really is one of the best-kept secrets - even in the open source >>>>>community itself - because people simply don't know what it actually >>>>>is :-( >>>> >>>I can't stress that enough :-( >>> >>> >>> >>>>>Dave Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>>[...] >>>> >>>>.m. >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>jdev mailing list >>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev >>>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>jdev mailing list >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>jdev mailing list >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev >> > > > _______________________________________________ > jdev mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
