2008/7/7 Peter Saint-Andre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > naw wrote: >> >> El Viernes 04 Julio 2008, Sander Devrieze escribió: >>> >>> 2008/7/4 Pedro Melo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> in case you need XMPP logo icons, I converted the SVG to PNGs >>>> 512x512, 256x256, 128x128 and 64x64, both regular and crushed, with >>>> alpha channel. >>>> >>>> You can find them here: >>>> >>>> http://www.simplicidade.org/me/xmpp.html >>>> >>>> and in a ZIP here: >>>> >>>> http://www.simplicidade.org/me/xmpp.zip >>>> >>>> I've also sent them to Peter, in case he wants to make this available >>>> at the xmpp.org site. >>> >>> Please find attached another version of the logo. There also exists a >>> Tango version which you can find in Pidgin. PS: if someone could >>> contribute an Oxygen version of the logo for Coccinella that would be >>> really fine! >> >> But the official icon for applications should be the jabber bulb, or the >> xmpp X? should the apps be renamed from "jabber client" to "xmpp client"? >> >> I think that most apps use the bulb and are called "jabber client" but >> pidgin doesn't, wich is a bit confusing. > > IMHO: > > Jabber is to XMPP as the Web is to HTTP.
Right > Geeks talk about HTTP, but end users talk about web browsers and web sites. Wrong. When end users read "http://www.example.org/";, they will *associate* this with the address of a website! > Geeks talk about XMPP, but end users talk about Jabber clients (or just IM > clients). Semi-wrong: the part between brackets is right. > Therefore I think it is best for end-user clients to use the term "Jabber". > This is more user-friendly and less geeky for Aunt Tillie. Neither "Jabber" not "XMPP" should be used IMHO. Let them use the term "instant messaging", but make them *associate* the term "XMPP" with "instant messaging". When people (both geeks and end users) see the term "XMPP" and/or the logo on a website or in some software, they should directly associate it with interoperability, open standard, instant messaging, not getting locked in a walled garden, and so forth. Summary: 1) "HTTP" versus "XMPP": association with open standard for Web/IM 2) globe logo versus XMPP wings logo: association with open standard for Web/IM 3) Web/website/web browser/web server/... versus Instant messaging/instant messaging address (or Contact ID)/instant messaging client/instant messaging server: what people use in daily life 4) Goal of using the XMPP wings logo or the term "XMPP": get people to actually *associate* both with the one and only good way of interroperable instant messaging ;-) So, people don't need to actually call your service/client/server an "XMPP service"/"XMPP client"/"XMPP server". People only should make the association that your service/client/server is interroperable/open/open standard/good/not evil/great/fantastic/amazing/you know > That said, I am an individualist and I value decentralization, so if > particular IM clients want to call it XMPP instead of Jabber, that's their > business. But I reserve the right to boycott them. :) That's your right, but it's also my right to try to change your mind ;-) -- Mvg, Sander Devrieze. _______________________________________________ JDev mailing list FAQ: http://www.jabber.org/discussion-lists/jdev-faq Forum: http://www.jabberforum.org/forumdisplay.php?f=20 Info: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________
