On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 09:01:13 AM Will Thompson wrote: > On 19/12/12 08:14, Justin Karneges wrote: > > On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 08:14:34 AM David E. Ammouial wrote: > >> Of course, the exact format would need to be thoughtfully defined, but > >> does the goal itself sound reasonable? > >> > >> (I'm well aware of the efforts to store history on server side, but I > >> think local history will still be around for a while.) > > > > I've been wanting this since forever. Email has mbox and Maildir. IM could > > use something similar. Maybe we could even just use an email format > > (conversations in RFC822 format anyone?). I say it now just so it gets > > said. > > I think you're suggesting storing each message as a separate email? > > For a data point, Google Talk conversation logs show up over IMAP as > emails, with one email per conversation. One alternative in the mail is > human-readable HTML; the more interesting one is a <conversation > xmlns='google:archive:conversation'> document with simple <message > xmlns='jabber:client'> children. 1-1 conversations have the From: header > set to your correspondent; MUCs have all participants in CC:.
Yes I was thinking something like this, where an email encapsulates an entire conversation. > I spent a little while hooking this up to Telepathy's log storage a few > months ago and it was pretty straightforward, because of course we > already have the machinery needed to show <message>s. Appending messages > to the log file as a conversation continues would be more painful in > that format, though. Yup, you'd want to append/update each email-per-chat as the chats go on. > Storage as one or more emails lets one use existing tools to quickly > index and search by sender, time etc. Exactly. > It seems a bit of a shame that XEP-0136 doesn't use collections of > <message> elements timestamped with jabber:x:delay/urn:xmpp:delay. I'm > late to the party, but presumably this was considered and rejected for > some reason? I suspect the currently documented format was used for compactness. Whole message stanzas could be interesting if you wanted full-on recording of everything, like chat states, but in most cases it is overkill and we also didn't want to log non-IM stanzas (no logging of IBB traffic). So that's why the collections format is lean and to the point. I believe the intent was to allow other IM-related elements sibling to <body> though (like <html>). Justin _______________________________________________ JDev mailing list Info: http://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/jdev Unsubscribe: [email protected] _______________________________________________
