Hi,

I don't oppose your idea but let me do some 'defence' for XML-ish data from 
industrial point of view...

(2013-12-05 08:25), Alexander Holler wrote:
But my whole point is, that they are bloat in both, code and resource
size (I know about in-situ parsers, but even those have to parse).
And I don't see any reason why the stuff which goes over the wire
should be in a "somewhat" human readable format. And with SSL, that
human readable thing is already gone (on the wire).

Thanks to the 'bloat' we can import external entities such as IEC or IEEE 
standards. They looks like dinosaurs for net-ish peoples, but they are still 
alive and growing. And some of such industrial people are trying to use XMPP 
(OpenADR, IEEE 21451-4, etc.) as data transport and session management 
framework.

For M2M side, I feel there are two schools: JSON-CoAP-IETF-ish M2M and 
IEEE/IEC/ISO-ish M2M. The both say 'we are the M2M framework' but the field is 
totally different. Former will born and die rapidly, with high evolution rate. 
Looks cool. But for (at least some part of) industrial people, doing business 
over such framework is not acceptable. XMPP, combined with well-defined XML, 
will be reliable enough (will not die too soon), and has strong schema system 
to start writing specs without a reference implementation (don't blame me on 
it, that's the different world :p ).

We cannot build long-running infrastructures such as electrical grid, mass 
transport system, or international logistics system without such 'bloats'. I 
like XMPP because of it.

Regards,

Yusuke


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