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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 6:27 AM
To: JDJList
Subject: [jdjlist] RE: Java on Linux ; was: jsp/html editor note

Hello,

>of course they are. "exe" and "vb" cannot be executed there (and if they
>could, you bet that
>you would get a "sandbox" or at least some "are you sure" dialog... ;o)
So , the careless Linux user imports his virus by installing insecure
programs or games - not a major difference
to opening a suspicious eMail attachment when the eMail client "allows" it.

When I was in Tim's situation at the University years ago I even ran into a
MAJOR security leak of SunOS 4.x on a
UNIX multiuser environment:
The login-simulator.
That shock (and the fact that streamer data transfer showed some
incompatibilities) let me leave UNIX a bit
(see footer below).

>I do not say there are no viruses for UNIX-like systems, but far less and
>usually less harmful,
>because the impact is seldom system-wide or system critical if the virus is
>introduced by non-admin
>users.
The Windows world has its own kind of multiuser environment (the old
downsizing trend of the IT industry :
from UNIX Mainframe to a network of "PCs").
Many PCs,Notebooks or PDAs are sold with Windows (even in those shops that
offer a choice , you can experience that
the cheaper Linux distribution "isn't available" when you buy a notebook or
PC).
The PC interconnection is partly that complicated (or slow) that
a) some people I met transfer the data classically via disk from PC to PC
within their company (therefor no
virus-transfer differemce to multiple Linux systems)
b) I myself use not-standardized USB network connections (because the
RJ45/ethernet connections didn't work)
c) a virus has to be very "intelligent" to break that barrier from user
(=PC) to user in a company

>... if you prefer the more colourful look of Outlook and live
>with the downside of a new virus every  2 or 3 weeks, that's of course ok.
>no attempt of religious conversion ;o)
- No need to open eMail attachments like "a new game" without analysis.
- New Windows PCs mostly are sold with something like "Norton Antivirus"
anyway.

The inbox assistant of many mail clients (beginning with Outlook Express)
allows you to even delete the
BugBear virus from the server without downloading it (due to the constant
attachment file size)
Outlook offers 3 levels of "security" for executing eMail scripts (probably
similar to a browser's JVM or script security settings) and some signature
support - including that "are you sure" dialog.

Personally I'd stayed with older and cheaper Outlook Express anyway, but
Outlook
a) was included in my iPaq software package (Microsoft's "market power") -
why not use it if you pay for it ?
b) has some convenient (but slow) data transfer features for the mobile
device
c) reduces my desire to buy something like Aibo(TM),Furby(TM) or other
virtual pets by offering several animated assistants
(you get weird otherwise by the people around you telling which nice pets
are populating their screen)

(Alan: do I have to include an image of the little screen-robot looking at
my eMail right now ?)

Happy Sunday,
U. Penski
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
PS: I haven't left UNIX totally - look at http://uuhome.de/penski/xsoft.htm


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