[jdjlist] RE: Write Once, Run Anywhere - yes

[Greg Nudelman]

Title: RE: [jdjlist] RE: Write Once, Run Anywhere - yes

OK, Lai.   *sigh*   DO check your earlier post from Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:31 PM, PLEASE...(Hint: scroll down the page, read from the bottom...)   You were not talking about Java. You were talking about C/C++ and *my* alleged ability (or lack thereof, according to you) to use C utilities (like autoconf) and port C code (like your favorite SDL library) and how easy it is (according to you) to port the aforementioned C code.  You also motioned, I believe, that it takes a good programmer to paint a good picture (with C, I presume), alleging that I am not one of these exalted master-painters (which, if I may point out,  I never claimed to be in the first place, just giving one particular anecdotal C developer story from 3 years ago)   Ahhhh.... for me to point out to you what you just said is plain embarrassing...   <unfounded assumption> you really underestimate by Java knowledge </unfounded assumption>   I would *never* (and I have not) said such a thing, or anything that can be interpreted (to my knowledge) in this fashion... Do, please quote which part of my post(s) made you think that?   <random snip> those really expert might laughing loudly. </random snip>   Yes, we are.   Greg   -----Original Message----- From: Lai Kok Cheong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:03 PM To: jdjlist Subject: [jdjlist] RE: Write Once, Run Anywhere - yes Hi Greg,             I'm not a C or C++ enthusiast.I choose the language based of the purpose of the project.Of course my personal preferences would be Java.If not for sure I would not join the mailing list.                 If I may be permmited to point out:   1) you have no idea what caused those compile errors Lets be professional  on this matter.If you think my wording sound like a personal attack to someone, I'm sorry. But to clear the cloud, you really underestimate by Java knowledge though I would not say I'm expert since it would sound like too snobbish , and those really expert might laughing loudly.                     2) you have never seen that code   Java code ? Come on man.I have use Java for a very long time. Though I might not be a guru , but by no means the experiences count.   I have seen someone said  the code is not portable and complaining here and there but in reality they did not  stick to the Java way of writing code.   The strength of java lies in Interface and abstract class, though some java critique might say the other way around.   What I wanted to point out though using C as exemplarily , is to use the method that mades the language portable.   I don't want to use another language examples again  but I really tempt to.To an extend, you could write a portable asm code !   Just need to learn how to do the nice thing.   But of course if you're talking to Thread implementation, I can't help you here.       Look at the Weblogic way of implementing portable code for is apps server ( I use it for example and I didn't receive any pay from them ;-)). In windows it have .DLL in Solaris .so ...   And also for Postgresql JDBC library.Try compiling the source from Linux and windows.And you'll see what I mean.   And for jdbc bugs, I do aggress to some extend the platform specific code was not implement properly.That in turns the bug submerge.   Writing a portable code is not a easy task.You need to know which  portion of logic/module is a platform specific one and segregate it.   Maybe there is a lack of a blueprint from Sun itself.But as you go on , you will definitely have your own set of unofficial .20 cents tips.                     3) if you like to use C so much, why on Earth do you bother us nice Java folks? To throw a cold water for those like to throw a flame war ;-)   -----Original Message----- From: Greg Nudelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:02 AM To: jdjlist Subject: [jdjlist] RE: Write Once, Run Anywhere - yes   Well, it's only Thursday, but if it's flame war you want, let the games begin!!   <personal attack> That's if you donno how to use make and autoconf utility ? </personnal attack>   If I may be permmited to point out:   1) you have no idea what caused those compile errors 2) you have never seen that code 3) if you like to use C so much, why on Earth do you bother us nice Java folks?   <blanket statement> One of the nice example is SDL library.The library could compile nicely in both windows and linux.Who say C++ is not portable ? </blanket statement>   I esp. like the "*could* compile nicely" ... that is a nice touch! hahahahha   <hiku.beautiful imagery> Is depend on how the programmer paint the picture.A bad and unexperienced painter would made a bad painting.... </hiku.beautiful imagery>   programmer paints seeplus plus white lotus delicate petals stinking bog     Hiku War! Hiku War!   HAHAHAHAHAHA   Greg   -----Original Message----- From: Lai Kok Cheong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:31 PM To: jdjlist Subject: [jdjlist] RE: Write Once, Run Anywhere - yes That's if you donno how to use make and autoconf utility ? One of the nice example is SDL library.The library could compile nicely in both windows and linux.Who say C++ is not portable ?   Is depend on how the programmer paint the picture.A bad and unexperienced painter would made a bad painting....     -----Original Message----- From: Greg Nudelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:57 PM To: jdjlist Subject: [jdjlist] RE: Write Once, Run Anywhere - yes   <snip good stuff> did anyone ever try to "port" (hahaha...) even a simple C/C++ app from one platform to another which was not explicitely designed for this (ANSI C/C++, only standard libraries which are not very powerful...and even then: some primitive types are of different sizes on almost every compiler, and not all developers are aware of the "sizeof" operator...), let alone a GUI app or programs that use a lot of networking code or the like? </snip good stuff> Yeah, I tried that once... I wrote a simple 2000 line program in M$FT Visual C++ (worked fine) and tried to make it run on Unix.  The first thing I got from gcc was 37 compile errors... You will never have this happen with Java.  Java is a much nicer environment to play with.  Automatic garbage collection, interfaces and full OO design features, decent standard libs, automatic memory management, and if you know the language fairly well, you can, in most instances, write very fast/efficient code without making it unreadable.  Yeah, Java needs a little tweaking now and then.  Big deal!!  That's what keeps me employed. Oh, eah, and did I mention, I never had a single javac fail with 37 compile errors for a working program? Maybe someday M$FT.NET's code portability will catch up to Java.  For now, given the M$FT strategy of exlusivitiy, there is simply no way for that to happen.  They make the $ in M$FT by being an exclusive monopoly. 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