hi there! as it was one of my postings that greg was quoting and which made him tell his personal experiences with porting of C/C++ code in the first place,
I just have to say briefly: I'm with you, greg ;o) and one more thing: I managed to accumulate 16 programming languages since I started on the C64 some years ago... of course not all of them I used to the extent to which I did use C/C++ and java. but none - including C/C++ with various standard libraries, ANSI conformity and the like - ever came close to the ease of deploying java apps on any plattform. it does not work in 100% of the cases, agreed. but better to have it work in 95% of the cases out of the box without *any* changes than hassling around with recompilation (be there standardized libraries or not - i only say: different primitive type sizes, memory models etc...) and the java platform does of course have the one or the other bug (see the recent postings about CSS/JEditorPane...) but which complex piece of software doesn't? and at least the sun-people talk about "bugs" and not "issues" like some other well-known software vendor... ;o) cheers > OK, Lai. > > *sigh* > > DO check your earlier post from Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:31 PM, > PLEASE...(Hint: scroll down the page, read from the bottom...) > > You were not talking about Java. You were talking about C/C++ and *my* > alleged ability (or lack thereof, according to you) to use C utilities > (like > autoconf) and port C code (like your favorite SDL library) and how easy it > is (according to you) to port the aforementioned C code. You also > motioned, > I believe, that it takes a good programmer to paint a good picture (with > C, > I presume), alleging that I am not one of these exalted master-painters > (which, if I may point out, I never claimed to be in the first place, > just > giving one particular anecdotal C developer story from 3 years ago) > > Ahhhh.... for me to point out to you what you just said is plain > embarrassing... > > <unfounded assumption> > you really underestimate by Java knowledge > </unfounded assumption> > > I would *never* (and I have not) said such a thing, or anything that can > be > interpreted (to my knowledge) in this fashion... Do, please quote which > part > of my post(s) made you think that? > > <random snip> > those really expert might laughing loudly. > </random snip> > > Yes, we are. > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lai Kok Cheong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 7:03 PM > To: jdjlist > Subject: [jdjlist] RE: Write Once, Run Anywhere - yes > > > Hi Greg, > I'm not a C or C++ enthusiast.I choose the language based of > the > purpose of the project.Of course my personal preferences would be Java.If > not for sure I would not join the mailing list. > > > > If I may be permmited to point out: > > 1) you have no idea what caused those compile errors > Lets be professional on this matter.If you think my wording sound like a > personal attack to someone, I'm sorry. But to clear the cloud, you really > underestimate by Java knowledge though I would not say I'm expert since it > would sound like too snobbish , and those really expert might laughing > loudly. > > > > > 2) you have never seen that code > > Java code ? Come on man.I have use Java for a very long time. Though I > might > not be a guru , but by no means the experiences count. > > I have seen someone said the code is not portable and complaining here > and > there but in reality they did not stick to the Java way of writing code. > > The strength of java lies in Interface and abstract class, though some > java > critique might say the other way around. > > What I wanted to point out though using C as exemplarily , is to use the > method that mades the language portable. > > I don't want to use another language examples again but I really tempt > to.To an extend, you could write a portable asm code ! > > Just need to learn how to do the nice thing. > > But of course if you're talking to Thread implementation, I can't help you > here. > > > > Look at the Weblogic way of implementing portable code for is apps server > ( > I use it for example and I didn't receive any pay from them ;-)). In > windows > it have .DLL in Solaris .so ... > > And also for Postgresql JDBC library.Try compiling the source from Linux > and > windows.And you'll see what I mean. > > And for jdbc bugs, I do aggress to some extend the platform specific code > was not implement properly.That in turns the bug submerge. > > Writing a portable code is not a easy task.You need to know which portion > of logic/module is a platform specific one and segregate it. > > Maybe there is a lack of a blueprint from Sun itself.But as you go on , > you > will definitely have your own set of unofficial .20 cents tips. > > > > > 3) if you like to use C so much, why on Earth do you bother us nice Java > folks? > To throw a cold water for those like to throw a flame war ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Nudelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 12:02 AM > To: jdjlist > Subject: [jdjlist] RE: Write Once, Run Anywhere - yes > > Well, it's only Thursday, but if it's flame war you want, let the games > begin!! > > <personal attack> > That's if you donno how to use make and autoconf utility ? > </personnal attack> > > If I may be permmited to point out: > > 1) you have no idea what caused those compile errors > 2) you have never seen that code > 3) if you like to use C so much, why on Earth do you bother us nice Java > folks? > > <blanket statement> > One of the nice example is SDL library.The library could compile nicely in > both windows and linux.Who say C++ is not portable ? > </blanket statement> > > I esp. like the "*could* compile nicely" ... that is a nice touch! > hahahahha > > <hiku.beautiful imagery> > Is depend on how the programmer paint the picture.A bad and unexperienced > painter would made a bad painting.... > </hiku.beautiful imagery> > > programmer paints > seeplus plus > white lotus > delicate petals > stinking bog > > > Hiku War! Hiku War! > > HAHAHAHAHAHA > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lai Kok Cheong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 11:31 PM > To: jdjlist > Subject: [jdjlist] RE: Write Once, Run Anywhere - yes > That's if you donno how to use make and autoconf utility ? One of the nice > example is SDL library.The library could compile nicely in both windows > and > linux.Who say C++ is not portable ? > > Is depend on how the programmer paint the picture.A bad and unexperienced > painter would made a bad painting.... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Nudelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:57 PM > To: jdjlist > Subject: [jdjlist] RE: Write Once, Run Anywhere - yes > > <snip good stuff> > did anyone ever try to "port" (hahaha...) even a simple C/C++ > app from one platform to another which was not explicitely > designed for this (ANSI C/C++, only standard libraries which are > not very powerful...and even then: some primitive types are of different > sizes on almost every compiler, and not all developers are aware of the > "sizeof" > operator...), let alone a GUI app or programs that use > a lot of networking code or the like? > </snip good stuff> > Yeah, I tried that once... I wrote a simple 2000 line program in M$FT > Visual > C++ (worked fine) and tried to make it run on Unix. The first thing I got > >from gcc was 37 compile errors... You will never have this happen with > Java. > Java is a much nicer environment to play with. Automatic garbage > collection, interfaces and full OO design features, decent standard libs, > automatic memory management, and if you know the language fairly well, you > can, in most instances, write very fast/efficient code without making it > unreadable. Yeah, Java needs a little tweaking now and then. Big deal!! > That's what keeps me employed. > Oh, eah, and did I mention, I never had a single javac fail with 37 > compile > errors for a working program? > Maybe someday M$FT.NET's code portability will catch up to Java. For now, > given the M$FT strategy of exlusivitiy, there is simply no way for that to > happen. They make the $ in M$FT by being an exclusive monopoly. > Greg > --- > You are currently subscribed to jdjlist as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.sys-con.com/fusetalk > --- > You are currently subscribed to jdjlist as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.sys-con.com/fusetalk > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to jdjlist as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.sys-con.com/fusetalk > -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte l�cheln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! --- You are currently subscribed to jdjlist as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sys-con.com/fusetalk
