Hi Marco, I'm afraid this message is not on topic for the jdo dev mail list.
We are talking about renaming a branch. This is not a slippery slope leading to the demise of the project. We are not re-litigating the history of GDR, Linus Torvalds, Liquid Democracy, or the 3rd Reich. Ciao, Craig > On Apr 20, 2021, at 12:28 AM, Marco Nguitragool <ma...@codewizards.co> wrote: > > Hi Craig, > > thanks for your reply! > > Am 19.04.21 um 22:20 schrieb Craig Russell: >> Hi Marco, >> >>> On Apr 18, 2021, at 8:54 PM, Marco Nguitragool <ma...@nightlabs.de> wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> please don't bow to this insanity of political correctness. Language >>> control / dictates are an important corner stone of every dictatorship. I >>> experienced this myself in the former Soviet east. I don't want to >>> experience this again and decisively object it. >> Can you share some personal experience with renaming potentially offensive >> terms to better welcome people to a project? > > I was actually talking about my experiences with the language control of the > Soviets when I used to live in the GDR (the dictatorship existing in East > Germany from 1949 until 1990). > > IMHO there is nothing offensive in any term used in software development. The > problem is solely in the people who *want* to be offended. Being offended is > their purpose of life. In certain ways they are (like) trolls: Listening to > them and reacting to them means feeding them. > > Btw. concerning the term "master": I'm a Dive Master. If someone feels > offended by this term, I'd rather not work with him, because he's soon going > to cause more and more problems. These people never get satisfied -- not even > when the core developers left and the project struggles or even fails -- then > they go on and destroy the next project. > > Most importantly at all: These people cannot contribute anything meaningful > (like good code, for example), but instead they contribute only discord > hidden in beautiful language. > > Just take a look at Linus Torvalds. He's one of the greatest of us and even > he was driven out of his project, the Linux Kernel. He returned -- but most > great devs don't and the projects finally fail. > > Some personal experience? I have none related to a software-project, because > fortunately, none of my projects was hijacked by SJWs. But I do have personal > experience of exactly the same thing in the analogue world: I was a member of > the Pirate Party when it was newly founded. This Party had revolutionary > ideas about making democracy far more democratic by using software tools. The > concept was called Liquid Democracy. > > The party was subverted by SJWs who drove out all the great nerds. They > managed to get into control of the mailing-lists and other > communication-channels and secretly censored out every communication that was > about the actual goals of the party (more democracy). Of course, more and > more people -- including me -- left and finally the party disappeared into > the abyss of insignificance. > > The same happened to many software-projects -- but I was fortunately not an > active member of any of these and thus cannot tell any personal experience. > > >>> People accepting political correctness are followers of dictatorship -- >>> leading to the worst chapters of history -- again. >> It's not clear what dictatorship has to do with renaming a Git branch. >> Perhaps you can elaborate? > > It's a very slippery road. As soon as you give in to the first of their > demands, the next demands are following faster and faster, more and more > intense. Very soon, all the great devs (who are often a bit nerdy) are driven > away and only the non-productive SJWs are left. Then they leave and destroy > the next project. > > >>> Always in history, not the evil wrong-doers are the main problem, but the >>> followers bowing to them and (at least silently) supporting them! >> I'd say evil wrong-doers are the main problem. Do you have another >> experience? > > Yes, I do have another experience. The wrong-doers are a very very small > minority. They can never get into power without the support of a large group > of followers and being tolerated by the (mostly silent) majority -- until > they have enough power to force their way. > > History is full of proofs -- just take a small subset: > > The witch hunt. Of course, I have no personal experience as this was a few > hundred years ago. But please read about it. Estimations reach from 40'000 to > 100'000 innocent people (mostly women, but also men) having been tortured and > burnt alive (or otherwise killed barbarically). > > The 3rd Reich. Not me personally, but my family. Please read Hanna Arendt -- > she's far more eloquent than me. > > The GDR. Here, I have far more than enough personal experience. If you made a > bad joke in the presense of a wrong "friend", the Stasi came and fetched you > -- interrogated you -- and if you were unlucky you went to prison for a long > long time, where you often were tortured. We were enemies of the state until > we were finally kicked out by the government (our freedom was most likely > "purchased" by the FRG -- Western Germany). > > Regards, Marco :-) > > >> Regards, >> Craig >>> Regards, Marco. >>> >>> P.S.: I'm resending this e-mail. The last e-mail was lost (censorship?). >>> Trying it again, now. >>> >>> >>> Am 17.04.21 um 02:41 schrieb Craig Russell: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I'd like to have all of us come to the same understanding of renaming the >>>> main branch of our repos. >>>> >>>> Here is some background reading to inform our decision. >>>> https://github.com/pmmmwh/react-refresh-webpack-plugin/issues/113 >>>> >>>> Let's have a discussion now and vote later. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Craig >>>> >>>> Craig L Russell >>>> c...@apache.org >>>> >> Craig L Russell >> c...@apache.org Craig L Russell c...@apache.org
