I don't follow how an OEM license would work with an open-source project. What if I fork the plugin - license still valid? What if I make changes in that (forked) plugin - license still valid? Even if the fork isn't public? What if those changes are entirely to serve my own proprietary / commercial interests? What about if they're entirely to serve a 3rd party commercial interests?
The whole thing ends up being a tarpit. An OEM license still ends up being a 'non-free' license (it'll impose restrictions covering the above usecases and more). On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Ullrich Hafner <[email protected]> wrote: > > Am 25.11.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Nigel Magnay <[email protected]>: > > The concern isn't the "Jenkins Project" - that's non-profit and can use it > at will. It's the *end users*. Their FAQ claims: > > NON-COMMERCIAL REDISTRIBUTION. > > You are allowed to distribute a Highsoft software product with > non-commercial packages given that you fulfill two conditions: > > > - Emphasize to your users that a Highsoft software product is not free > for commercial use. You can do this on your download page or when your > users activate a Highsoft software product in your application. > - Provide a link back to this web page in the same location. > > That not what I asked. I would like to know how much a OEM license would > cost for a community project like Jenkins. With a OEM license you *can* use > the plug-ins without additional cost. > It would not hurt us to ask. > > > Whether you can use a (CC BY-NC 3.0) in your commercial organisation is > entirely determined on whether you are gaining "commercial advantage" by > doing so. I would argue that for most plugins and companies this is not the > case. But assuredly that would be a matter for lawyers. > > > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Ullrich Hafner <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> Wouldn’t it make sense to ask what a commercial license would cost for >> the Jenkins project so that users of Jenkins don’t need to bother about the >> license at all? >> >> Am 25.11.2015 um 10:59 schrieb Nigel Magnay <[email protected]>: >> >> >> >>> (unintentional) violation of the license by end users. >>> >>> >> Oh, it will be. >> >> You're asking an awful lot of end-users to be going through plugin detail >> (the vast majority are entirely unencumbered by transitive licensing >> issues) to determine if they're 'allowed to use it' or not. They're just >> not going to bother. If I were Highcharts, and the license *really* is >> down to the 'commercial-ness' of the *end user* rather than the ISV >> producing the component (which is more normal), I would not be happy and I >> might choose to pursue *you* for not enforcing this license term. >> >> IMO, plugins that have terms like that should not belong in the public >> repository at all. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Jenkins Developers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAPYP83T%2Bx%3D%3DWr8fZBVcGNw5xdtWw4sLC9W6Yw_5jtFJptyu-Hw%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAPYP83T%2Bx%3D%3DWr8fZBVcGNw5xdtWw4sLC9W6Yw_5jtFJptyu-Hw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Jenkins Developers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/A6CAE22E-5C55-41BA-B38F-8641CEA8BF4C%40gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/A6CAE22E-5C55-41BA-B38F-8641CEA8BF4C%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Jenkins Developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAPYP83QL5KejuPqO4U%3De6sexApM8GjiZKt_H8iJ6Ja0oKk%3DWFg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAPYP83QL5KejuPqO4U%3De6sexApM8GjiZKt_H8iJ6Ja0oKk%3DWFg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Jenkins Developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/6D2103E9-DD54-4CC8-991E-F616A49B4490%40gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/6D2103E9-DD54-4CC8-991E-F616A49B4490%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. 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