> On Dec 20, 2015, at 17:32, Baptiste Mathus <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> +1 with all Oleg said...
> The subject might indeed be eligible to discussion, and I also think we might 
> want to proceed with only PRs, but the way you do it...
> And the name you use for kk in CC is, well…
Name was allowed, see meeting logs.
> 
> 2015-12-20 15:26 GMT+01:00 Oleg Nenashev <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>:
> Hi Kostya,
> 
> I understand your concern, but messages of such kind can be considered as a 
> personal offense.
Any question can be transformed in any way you want.
> Kohsuke is not the only person committing in such way, so it's definitely a 
> wider problem, which requires a discussion. BTW currently there is no policy 
> prohibiting such approach, so the direct commits are generally valid even if 
> they smell bad.
Never saw anybody else, could you share more examples?
> 
> I'm +1 on prohibiting direct pushes to the master branches for everybody and 
> in all repos. And Jenkins core core is not an exception.
> It makes the current release and changelogging approach a bit problematic, 
> but it's another story.
> 
> if you signed ICLA and do some questionable changes into master (here i see 2 
> violations) person should get core access removal, right?
> 
> Nope. There is no such policy in Jenkins project. If you have any concerns 
> about particular contributors, raise the topic to the governance meeting. 
> It's the ONLY way for discussing such topics.
That what core committers said to me when i asked about ICLA and perms. Would 
be glad to see documented way without double standards.
> 
> 
> воскресенье, 20 декабря 2015 г., 17:03:40 UTC+3 пользователь Kanstantsin 
> Shautsou написал:
> Situation: people doing reviews, blocking PRs for weeks,months,years while 
> some people do direct commits to core master without any reviews.
> This ends to situations when master gets broken state that reflects on PR 
> builds verification, i.e. 
> https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/commit/d86a88ab042cc55530d91e745af9e0886e8eeb79
>  
> <https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/commit/d86a88ab042cc55530d91e745af9e0886e8eeb79>
> Unreviewed changes adds chaos. While people reviewing and close to get rid of 
> unconfigurable settings in https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/pull/1914 
> <https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/pull/1914> one person is doing direct 
> master changes 
> https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/commit/653fbdb65024b1b528e21f682172885f7111bba9
>  
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fjenkinsci%2Fjenkins%2Fcommit%2F653fbdb65024b1b528e21f682172885f7111bba9&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGfejtJii5ClN4CxzyDP_BzWpWFag>
> 
> Proposal: stop doing such unreviewed changes and forbid direct master commits 
> (either at all, either only for mentioned person).
> 
> PS. AFAIR/AFAIK if you signed ICLA and do some questionable changes into 
> master (here i see 2 violations) person should get core access removal, right?
> 
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