On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:03 PM Oleg Nenashev <[email protected]> wrote:
> Personally I think Microsoft Edge (Chromium) should be Level 1 as it will >> be coming out in January and, as far as I know, will be the default browser >> for Windows 10 (or at least be used quite a bit). I'd also say that given >> its Chromium based I'd include that and Chromium together along with >> Chrome. > > What if we add it as Level 2 support for now until it is released? > I agree we would be interested to support it though it should not be a big > deal taking the engine under the hood. > > +1 on supporting temporarily only the very latest version of IE, and maybe >> have a blurb saying this is planned to be discontinued given MS plans >> anyway to invest into Edge instead. > > > @Baptiste Do you mean Level 1 support for IE 11 and Level 3 for older > versions (w/o -1 version support)? > Sounds reasonable to me. > Yes. IE11 should be the only version we put in Level 1 IMO, even more after having re-read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_11 but we should probably put a blurb saying Edge is to be preferred and IE11 will likely soon be Level 2, given MS plans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Edge and that Edge is even already default browser on Windows 10 (and later?!). Any older IE release should be Level 2 max, Level 3 maybe, I don't feel that strongly. > > I suggest to also add a js warning plugin (e.g. >> https://github.com/outdatedbrowser/outdated-browser) to jenkins to give >> the users a better feedback for unsupported browsers. >> > > +1 for any warnings or administrativemonitors if anyone is willing to > contribute them. Thanks in advance! > > >> I think Firefox ESR would make sense to support as well >> > > +1 for keeping it as Level 1 as it currently is. > > > > > On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 4:24:12 PM UTC+1, Matt Sicker wrote: >> >> FWIW, I've written any new JS/HTML/CSS according to caniuse.com and >> their base line supported level, though that might be fairly conservative >> (not as conservative as the current Jenkins wiki, though!) >> >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 8:15 AM Daniel Beck <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think Firefox ESR would make sense to support as well. Its baseline is >>> never older than a year IIUC, so should be feasible to have it be >>> considered supported. >>> >>> Showing warnings on the UI when using an unsupported browser would >>> probably be fairly straightforward as well, and help to inform users. >>> Perhaps we even distinguish between "outdated based on policy" and >>> "outdated based on features actually used in core or popular plugins", but >>> that may end up being too much effort to maintain. >>> >>> >>> Does it actually make sense to still support IE? >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:17 AM Oleg Nenashev <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> There was recently a question about Jenkins browser support policy >>>> raised in the chats. Currently the policy is hosted on Wiki (here >>>> <https://wiki.jenkins.io/display/JENKINS/Browser+Compatibility+Matrix>), >>>> and the policy looks to be REALLY old. E.g. we say that Safari 6+ are fully >>>> supported, ouch. It does not look like we had any major changes since the >>>> inception of the policy in 2014. I have created a pull reques >>>> <https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/2649>t to move the >>>> policy to jenkins.io, and I would like to make some changes to >>>> actualize it. >>>> >>>> What do I propose? >>>> >>>> - Chrome, Firefox, IE, Safari >>>> - Level 1: >>>> - "Latest regular release, latest minor release / patch level" >>>> - Level 2: >>>> - Previous patches of the latest regular release >>>> - Latest minor release / patch level for the "Version -1" >>>> - Level 3: >>>> - All other versions >>>> - Other browsers, including mobile versions, Chromium, Microsoft >>>> EDGE, etc.: >>>> - Level 2: Latest regular release, latest minor release / patch >>>> level >>>> - Level 3: All other versions >>>> >>>> >>>> This policy should be somewhat aligned with the current ATH state. IIUC >>>> we test only Firefox now, and there is a PR by Oliver Gondza to run tests >>>> on Chrome instead (here >>>> <https://github.com/jenkinsci/acceptance-test-harness/pulls>) >>>> >>>> WDYT? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Oleg >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/976db98b-75be-4e29-9bd4-d5fe6676c674%40googlegroups.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/976db98b-75be-4e29-9bd4-d5fe6676c674%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Daniel Beck >>> Senior Software Engineer >>> CloudBees, Inc. >>> >>> [image: CloudBees-Logo.png] >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAMo7PtKGPEqv9gaVT%2BX%3DoXT%2Busp3RhA%3DfBgcHaWD0hrt8MPdaQ%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAMo7PtKGPEqv9gaVT%2BX%3DoXT%2Busp3RhA%3DfBgcHaWD0hrt8MPdaQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> Matt Sicker >> Senior Software Engineer, CloudBees >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Jenkins Developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/6ac3cc5a-63df-4ed8-a77a-c6f1610ecdef%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/6ac3cc5a-63df-4ed8-a77a-c6f1610ecdef%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. 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