Since we have a Governance meeting tomorrow, I have added this topic to the agenda so that we can formally confirm the changes https://wiki.jenkins.io/display/JENKINS/Governance+Meeting+Agenda#GovernanceMeetingAgenda-November20
On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 2:07:53 PM UTC+1, Oleg Nenashev wrote: > > Implemented all the discussed changes in > https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/2659 . > Will appreciate reviews > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 1:40 PM Baptiste Mathus <bmat...@cloudbees.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:03 PM Oleg Nenashev <o.v.nenas...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Personally I think Microsoft Edge (Chromium) should be Level 1 as it >>>> will be coming out in January and, as far as I know, will be the default >>>> browser for Windows 10 (or at least be used quite a bit). I'd also say >>>> that >>>> given its Chromium based I'd include that and Chromium together along with >>>> Chrome. >>> >>> What if we add it as Level 2 support for now until it is released? >>> I agree we would be interested to support it though it should not be a >>> big deal taking the engine under the hood. >>> >>> +1 on supporting temporarily only the very latest version of IE, and >>>> maybe have a blurb saying this is planned to be discontinued given MS >>>> plans >>>> anyway to invest into Edge instead. >>> >>> >>> @Baptiste Do you mean Level 1 support for IE 11 and Level 3 for older >>> versions (w/o -1 version support)? >>> Sounds reasonable to me. >>> >> >> Yes. IE11 should be the only version we put in Level 1 IMO, even more >> after having re-read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_11 but >> we should probably put a blurb saying Edge is to be preferred and IE11 will >> likely soon be Level 2, given MS plans >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Edge and that Edge is even >> already default browser on Windows 10 (and later?!). >> >> Any older IE release should be Level 2 max, Level 3 maybe, I don't feel >> that strongly. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> I suggest to also add a js warning plugin (e.g. >>>> https://github.com/outdatedbrowser/outdated-browser) to jenkins to >>>> give the users a better feedback for unsupported browsers. >>>> >>> >>> +1 for any warnings or administrativemonitors if anyone is willing to >>> contribute them. Thanks in advance! >>> >>> >>>> I think Firefox ESR would make sense to support as well >>>> >>> >>> +1 for keeping it as Level 1 as it currently is. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Friday, November 15, 2019 at 4:24:12 PM UTC+1, Matt Sicker wrote: >>>> >>>> FWIW, I've written any new JS/HTML/CSS according to caniuse.com and >>>> their base line supported level, though that might be fairly conservative >>>> (not as conservative as the current Jenkins wiki, though!) >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 8:15 AM Daniel Beck <db...@cloudbees.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think Firefox ESR would make sense to support as well. Its baseline >>>>> is never older than a year IIUC, so should be feasible to have it be >>>>> considered supported. >>>>> >>>>> Showing warnings on the UI when using an unsupported browser would >>>>> probably be fairly straightforward as well, and help to inform users. >>>>> Perhaps we even distinguish between "outdated based on policy" and >>>>> "outdated based on features actually used in core or popular plugins", >>>>> but >>>>> that may end up being too much effort to maintain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does it actually make sense to still support IE? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:17 AM Oleg Nenashev <o.v.n...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> There was recently a question about Jenkins browser support policy >>>>>> raised in the chats. Currently the policy is hosted on Wiki (here >>>>>> <https://wiki.jenkins.io/display/JENKINS/Browser+Compatibility+Matrix>), >>>>>> and the policy looks to be REALLY old. E.g. we say that Safari 6+ are >>>>>> fully >>>>>> supported, ouch. It does not look like we had any major changes since >>>>>> the >>>>>> inception of the policy in 2014. I have created a pull reques >>>>>> <https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/2649>t to move the >>>>>> policy to jenkins.io, and I would like to make some changes to >>>>>> actualize it. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do I propose? >>>>>> >>>>>> - Chrome, Firefox, IE, Safari >>>>>> - Level 1: >>>>>> - "Latest regular release, latest minor release / patch >>>>>> level" >>>>>> - Level 2: >>>>>> - Previous patches of the latest regular release >>>>>> - Latest minor release / patch level for the "Version -1" >>>>>> - Level 3: >>>>>> - All other versions >>>>>> - Other browsers, including mobile versions, Chromium, >>>>>> Microsoft EDGE, etc.: >>>>>> - Level 2: Latest regular release, latest minor release / >>>>>> patch level >>>>>> - Level 3: All other versions >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This policy should be somewhat aligned with the current ATH state. >>>>>> IIUC we test only Firefox now, and there is a PR by Oliver Gondza to run >>>>>> tests on Chrome instead (here >>>>>> <https://github.com/jenkinsci/acceptance-test-harness/pulls>) >>>>>> >>>>>> WDYT? >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Oleg >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to jenkin...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/976db98b-75be-4e29-9bd4-d5fe6676c674%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/976db98b-75be-4e29-9bd4-d5fe6676c674%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Daniel Beck >>>>> Senior Software Engineer >>>>> CloudBees, Inc. >>>>> >>>>> [image: CloudBees-Logo.png] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to jenkin...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAMo7PtKGPEqv9gaVT%2BX%3DoXT%2Busp3RhA%3DfBgcHaWD0hrt8MPdaQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAMo7PtKGPEqv9gaVT%2BX%3DoXT%2Busp3RhA%3DfBgcHaWD0hrt8MPdaQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Matt Sicker >>>> Senior Software Engineer, CloudBees >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to jenkinsci-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/6ac3cc5a-63df-4ed8-a77a-c6f1610ecdef%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/6ac3cc5a-63df-4ed8-a77a-c6f1610ecdef%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/jenkinsci-dev/TV_pLEah9B4/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> jenkinsci-dev+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAPyTVp0kXN%3D1jQ-PDcP_h13L1WJLHUQao9v%2BfkVKXq_3EMSRtg%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAPyTVp0kXN%3D1jQ-PDcP_h13L1WJLHUQao9v%2BfkVKXq_3EMSRtg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. 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