Hi all,

We plan to have a discussion about the Jenkins Operator and community 
alignment at the next Cloud Native SIG meeting on Feb 05.
Please feel free to join if you are 
interested: 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13zeaKgtud5jZ5RqZEh1lrwjDXJRm7j31scPymlrMpfo/edit#heading=h.wydyxiol9ok9

Best regards,
Oleg


On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:53:06 PM UTC+1 [email protected] 
wrote:

> Hi Oleg & Jenkins board,
>
> It terms of the "Founder leader" we'd like to ensure the initial 
> re-architecting phase goes smoothly and "representatives" actively 
> contribute according to quality standards. Long-term we can transfer 
> ownership of individual components to other founding leaders using model 
> similar to Kubernetes SIGs 
> <https://github.com/kubernetes/community/blob/master/README.md#special-interest-groups-sig>
> .
>
> The https://github.com/jenkinsci/jep makes a lot of sense, especially to 
> align Kubernetes Operator with Jenkins development.
>
> I'm happy to set up a dedicated meeting to walk through this document and 
> address all concerns if needed. Also, feel free to collaborate offline and 
> add comments directly in the documents for further discussion.
>
> Regards,
> Bartek
>
> poniedziałek, 28 grudnia 2020 o 09:51:03 UTC+1 Oleg Nenashev napisał(a):
>
>> Hi Bartek,
>>
>> Thanks for assembling the proposal! The proposal is definitely a good 
>> start. I'd guess the key topic is about the "Founder leader" role: *"Founder 
>> leader (VirtusLab): establishes project vision, controls all permissions to 
>> merge code into it, and assumes the right to speak for it in public*". It 
>> is more or less aligned with the community practices for plugin 
>> maintenance, plugin maintainers have ultimate powers in their repositories 
>> until they decide to step down. This practice has its own pros and cons 
>> though. Would be nice to get more feedback from others.
>>
>> I also suggest cross-posting it in the Jenkins Operator community 
>> channels and GitHub Issues so that we get some feedback flowing in.
>>
>> Contribution model is definitely +1. https://github.com/jenkinsci/jep 
>> may be considered for proposals involving multiple repositories.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Oleg Nenashev
>>
>> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 5:42:36 PM UTC+1 [email protected] 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> First, let me introduce myself. I’m Cloud Engineering Manager at 
>>> VirtusLab, I was involved in development and design of Jenkins Operator in 
>>> its early days. Currently, I’m responsible for the cloud-native landscape 
>>> within the company - which includes our involvement with Jenkins Operator. 
>>> I’d love to be more active as part of this initiative and community 
>>> engagement in general.
>>>
>>> In terms of the future of Jenkins Operator and involvement from our 
>>> side, in addition what Pawel was writing about earlier, I’m getting back to 
>>> you with the following documents:
>>>
>>>    - Governance Model proposal 
>>>    
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/163bJco3_F7ZzdqnIAVLtNx8ZbmJHRMEvm4jq23I4kcw/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>  
>>>    - still early version, expect next update by end of 2020
>>>    - Contribution Model 
>>>    
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kq088u8TJOOG5JtnXV7EADiuX0cH1VwbSy4sFzkZ0so/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>  - 
>>>    will issue a new pull request with this soon
>>>    - Jenkins Operator Roadmap and Vision 
>>>    
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Rbv27DLHz-UyIZ5q_4ER7VpO1GVzrrsyN3royrQPymM/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>
>>> (feel free to add some comments to these documents)
>>>
>>> It would be great if we could discuss these and introduce the team early 
>>> next year.
>>>
>>> For us, this is now a strategic project, with dedicated team and 
>>> long-term commitment. We are happy to partner with you and invest more of 
>>> our engineering effort to make sure the project brings value in the both 
>>> Kubernetes and Jenkins ecosystem, as well as to actively take part in 
>>> community engagement aspects.
>>>
>>> I believe that further cooperation with RedHat and Jenkins Board will 
>>> result in solid support for Jenkins in cloud-native ecosystem. 
>>>
>>> Apart from that, I’d like to wish you good time with your families 
>>> during the Christmas season.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bartek
>>>
>>> środa, 25 listopada 2020 o 13:25:05 UTC+1 Paweł Dolega napisał(a):
>>>
>>>> Going to take a look at this right away. Apologies for the misuse of 
>>>> the name, we did analyse the trademarks but for some reason apparently 
>>>> completely missed that.
>>>>
>>>> On it now, thank you 🙏
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 10:29:34 AM UTC+1 Oleg Nenashev 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Pawel,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking forward to see the maintenance and development to be 
>>>>> revived in the repository. One thing that requires your immediate 
>>>>> attention 
>>>>> is the Jenkins trademark usage in your product name. The name "Jenkins" 
>>>>> is 
>>>>> a registered trademark in the USA (#4664929 
>>>>> <https://trademarks.justia.com/854/47/jenkins-85447465.html>, held by 
>>>>> Software 
>>>>> in the Public Interest, Inc. <https://spi-inc.org/>) in order to 
>>>>> protect the project and users from confusing use of the term. To reduce 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> process overhead and uphold our open-source spirit, we adopt the Linux 
>>>>> kernel policy on trademark usage. You need to apply for a sublicense 
>>>>> <https://www.jenkins.io/project/trademark/sublicense> if you are 
>>>>> using the term "Jenkins" as part of your own trademark or brand 
>>>>> identifier 
>>>>> for Jenkins-based software goods or services. You can find more 
>>>>> information 
>>>>> about the trademark policy here: 
>>>>> https://www.jenkins.io/project/trademark/ 
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jenkins Operator Service on Azure" does not fit the pre-approved 
>>>>> trademark usage patterns defined in the Linux Foundation guidelines 
>>>>> <https://www.linuxfoundation.org/trademark-usage/>, and hence your 
>>>>> company needs to go through the trademark approval process to be able to 
>>>>> use "Jenkins" in such product name.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Oleg Nenashev
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 6:46:50 PM UTC+1 [email protected] 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> HI @Oleg 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your quick reply!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we have just announced Jenkins Operator Service for Azure here: 
>>>>>> https://virtuslab.com/jenkins-operator-service-on-azure/
>>>>>> This is just the beginning of the road for Jenkins Operator Service 
>>>>>> for major cloud providers and platforms. Jenkins Kubernetes Operator is 
>>>>>> be 
>>>>>> a commercial offering, backed by freely available OSS version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now we have a week or two of breathing space and we are getting back 
>>>>>> to planning future interactions and community engagement. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are key points:
>>>>>> 0. Jenkins Kubernetes Operator is a base for business initiative for 
>>>>>> VirtusLab, therefore we are committed to building proper full time team 
>>>>>> working on it.
>>>>>> 1. OSS version is key part of our strategy and we don't intend to 
>>>>>> change that - our business model is based on managed marketplace 
>>>>>> offerings 
>>>>>> and support model (value added comparing to OSS that you can grab and 
>>>>>> install yourself).
>>>>>> 2. We do agree that current Jenkins Kubernetes Operator is 
>>>>>> complicated and not properly modulerized. It worked for our initial 
>>>>>> version, however for our future plans this cannot stay. Redesigning / 
>>>>>> decoupling architecture is a critical step forward.
>>>>>> 3. Given 2, we are now focusing on preparing proper roadmap, 
>>>>>> governance model and planning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed point 2 will cause weird situation where there is 
>>>>>> simple-jenkins-operator targeting mostly OpenShift (not sure if this is 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> intention of @Akram's team, but my impression was that previous 
>>>>>> contributions were mostly targeted in this area) and 
>>>>>> jenkins-kubernetes-operator targeting wider audience (with eventually 
>>>>>> simplified architecture).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it would be best discuss further cooperation going forward 
>>>>>> and we are happy to do that. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 5:59:52 PM UTC+1 Oleg Nenashev 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks a lot to Virtus Lab for the response! I hope we could revive 
>>>>>>> this discussion, all interested parties are welcome to participate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the record, last week there was a hosting request from Red hat 
>>>>>>> for starting the new operator: 
>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/jenkinsci-dev/c/oAWCXDbgcG4 . This 
>>>>>>> request has been approved by the community, hence right now we may end 
>>>>>>> up 
>>>>>>> in a situation when there are 2 operators and a community split between 
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Oleg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 4:54:38 PM UTC+1 
>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Quick introduction - I am CTO of VirtusLab, original company behind 
>>>>>>>> Jenkins Kubernetes Operator.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First of all, apologies for prolonged time it took us to get back 
>>>>>>>> to this. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To the point - *it is definitely useful and desirable to have well 
>>>>>>>> understood governance rules* (and thanks Akram for submitting this 
>>>>>>>> draft proposal 🙏 ). Details might need to be discussed but this is 
>>>>>>>> definitely good starting point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To give you a little bit of background:
>>>>>>>> Out step back from the project (in fact not a step back, rather 
>>>>>>>> rethinking first principles) resulted due to our internal work related 
>>>>>>>> very 
>>>>>>>> much to Jenkins Kubernetes Operator.  We wanted to put some public 
>>>>>>>> work on 
>>>>>>>> hold until we have this sorted out. We were hoping for the work to be 
>>>>>>>> concluded in Oct, but (as is often the case with software development) 
>>>>>>>> we 
>>>>>>>> got some delays and currently aiming at having work concluded next 
>>>>>>>> week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *We definitely see a case for cooperation and making Jenkins 
>>>>>>>> Kubernetes Operator more popular e.g. in environments like Open 
>>>>>>>> Shift.*  
>>>>>>>> (which I believe is main point of interest for Red Hat). That said I 
>>>>>>>> think 
>>>>>>>> it is very much justified to say that the overwhelming majority of 
>>>>>>>> work 
>>>>>>>> done on this project (original author and overwhelmingly major 
>>>>>>>> developer 
>>>>>>>> efforts including majority of bug fixes ) comes from our organisation 
>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>> we felt we have a little bit more right to steer the direction of the 
>>>>>>>> evolution of the operator project. We definitely see that doing work 
>>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>>> would help Jenkins Operator be more usable e.g. in Open Shift is 
>>>>>>>> valuable, 
>>>>>>>> in the same time however this cannot be done by sacrificing the 
>>>>>>>> overall 
>>>>>>>> direction (we have more cases than only this one!). 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We do however understand that to have Jenkins Operator being more 
>>>>>>>> collaborative project we need to communicate our intention better to 
>>>>>>>> make 
>>>>>>>> sure everyone is on the same page. To that end we are going to work in 
>>>>>>>> following areas in upcoming weeks:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    - public roadmap for the project
>>>>>>>>    - contribution / governance model (which can be very much based 
>>>>>>>>    on your suggestion)
>>>>>>>>    - separation of specific area - e.g. Open Shift is much more 
>>>>>>>>    important for Red Hat than us and we should be able to separate 
>>>>>>>> this area a 
>>>>>>>>    little bit to make Red Hat contributor's work more streamlined.
>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>> As for the timeframes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    - we are working on these things *right now*
>>>>>>>>    - we aim at being ready *s**ome time in December* (given 
>>>>>>>>    holidays etc - it would need to be 1st part of the month).
>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>> Once again - I really appreciate the governance proposal you 
>>>>>>>> suggested 🙏  I think it is very much in line with our thinking and I 
>>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>>> zero doubts we would be able to come up with version that would feel 
>>>>>>>> satisfactory for all the sides (+future contributors). 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope this sounds reasonable (if not - don't hesitate to let me 
>>>>>>>> know, happy to discuss more details!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 1:28:28 AM UTC+2 slide wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FYI, I made contact with some folks at VirtusLabs. They are hoping 
>>>>>>>>> to respond to this discussion thread in the next little while. I will 
>>>>>>>>> keep 
>>>>>>>>> on top of it an communicate with to keep the ball rolling. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 7:56:36 AM UTC-7 
>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Background*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In mid-october 2019, Jenkins on OpenShift developers team from 
>>>>>>>>>> Red Hat started to engage in the jenkinsci/kubernetes-operator 
>>>>>>>>>> <http://github.com/jenkinsci/kubernetes-operator> (aka Jenkins 
>>>>>>>>>> Operator) as contributors and committers. The initiators of the 
>>>>>>>>>> project are 
>>>>>>>>>> contributors from VirtusLab company.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  After a few commits related to documentation and minor bug 
>>>>>>>>>> fixes, the team, backed by product management, expressed their wish 
>>>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>>>> engage more in the community and the project.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  To facilitate communication and collaboration, several rituals 
>>>>>>>>>> has been put in place by Red Hat team members:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Subscribing to the slack channel on virtuslab's instance and 
>>>>>>>>>>    providing best effort community support to the users who were 
>>>>>>>>>> asking.
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Scheduling a developer call each week to discuss developer 
>>>>>>>>>>    related issues and ways to improve the software. Several 
>>>>>>>>>> additional 
>>>>>>>>>>    stakeholders from Red Hat, who were strongly interested in 
>>>>>>>>>> extending 
>>>>>>>>>>    Jenkins features were able to join (to name a few, J.F, R. Crisp, 
>>>>>>>>>> S. Bose, 
>>>>>>>>>>    ....)
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    A weekly community call to allow users to talk about their 
>>>>>>>>>>    use of the plugin and features they would like to see. If not 
>>>>>>>>>> enough users 
>>>>>>>>>>    were joining, which was often the case, this call was used to 
>>>>>>>>>> discuss 
>>>>>>>>>>    architecture and development topics.
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>  After months, discrepancies arose, especially regarding 
>>>>>>>>>> architecture and design. At the same time, contributing features was 
>>>>>>>>>> harder 
>>>>>>>>>> both for technical reasons (monolithic operator) and for governance 
>>>>>>>>>> reasons 
>>>>>>>>>> (Red Hat developers didn't have commit permissions).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Despite these difficulties, Red Hat management insisted in 
>>>>>>>>>> remaining engaged in a community based operator and to continue the 
>>>>>>>>>> contributions, and also engage in larger refactoring tasks. Red Hat 
>>>>>>>>>> committers asked several times to have commit permissions. 
>>>>>>>>>> Initially, these 
>>>>>>>>>> requests have been rejected by invoking the will to keep control on 
>>>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>>>> code quality. After several months of discussions, and difficult 
>>>>>>>>>> collaboration, Red Hat team members engagement was constant but 
>>>>>>>>>> commit 
>>>>>>>>>> permissions were still refused.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Then, during a period of around 2 months and related to personal 
>>>>>>>>>> reasons, the main committer was not able to validate PRs, nor 
>>>>>>>>>> letting the 
>>>>>>>>>> other contributors be able to do it. The project was and is almost 
>>>>>>>>>> frozen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Red Hat is escalating the discussion to the Jenkins CI board to 
>>>>>>>>>> see how to solve this issue. As it was discussed as there is no 
>>>>>>>>>> existing 
>>>>>>>>>> process in place for transferring permissions when a component 
>>>>>>>>>> maintainer 
>>>>>>>>>> explicitly rejects that. Red Hat is asking to set up a governance 
>>>>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>>>>> complies with the Jenkins Code of Conduct and allows Open Source 
>>>>>>>>>> friendly 
>>>>>>>>>> collaboration.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Governance revision proposal*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The proposed governance has a main objective  to ensure 
>>>>>>>>>> permanently that a distribution of the commit rights across the 
>>>>>>>>>> active 
>>>>>>>>>> stakeholders of the project always exists. The definition of "active 
>>>>>>>>>> stakeholder" can be defined more accurately by the project board. 
>>>>>>>>>> But, as 
>>>>>>>>>> an initial proposal, an active stakeholder can be defined as:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "An entity contributing to the project in any form within the 
>>>>>>>>>> last 3 months would be by submitting code, committing code, 
>>>>>>>>>> proposing PRs 
>>>>>>>>>> and documentation or participating actively on a regular basis in 
>>>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>>>> community calls".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can add to this group any active user who can submit a minimum 
>>>>>>>>>> amount of documented and reproducible issues.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Initial working group leaders are defined using the following 
>>>>>>>>>> requirements:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Initial leadership group consists of 3 or 5 members
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Founding parties: Virtus Lab, Red Hat, Jenkins Governance 
>>>>>>>>>>    Board
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Each party nominates a representative
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Domination prevention: there should be no party having more 
>>>>>>>>>>    than 50% of working group members.
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The governance charter needs to define a few engagements and 
>>>>>>>>>> entities:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Scope of rights and responsibilities explicitly held by the 
>>>>>>>>>>    committee
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Committee structure that meets the requirements above
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Election process, including:
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       special elections in the case someone resigns or is 
>>>>>>>>>>       impeached
>>>>>>>>>>       - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       who is eligible to nominate candidates and how
>>>>>>>>>>       - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       who is eligible to run as a candidate
>>>>>>>>>>       - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       Voter registration and requirements
>>>>>>>>>>       - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       election mechanics such as
>>>>>>>>>>       - 
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>          committee company representation quotas
>>>>>>>>>>          - 
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>          Limits on electioneering
>>>>>>>>>>          - 
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>          Responses to election fraud
>>>>>>>>>>          - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       How are changes to the charter enacted, and by what process
>>>>>>>>>>       - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       How are meetings conducted
>>>>>>>>>>       - 
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>          Recorded or not, and if not, how is the information 
>>>>>>>>>>          shared
>>>>>>>>>>          - 
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>          How is work tracked? Example steering project board
>>>>>>>>>>          - 
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>          Is there a member note taker, or is there a neutral 
>>>>>>>>>>          facilitator role that exists outside of the committee?
>>>>>>>>>>          - 
>>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>>>          Frequency, duration, and required consistency
>>>>>>>>>>          - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       Committee decision-making process, and specifically those 
>>>>>>>>>>       areas of action that require more/less consensus, e.g. 
>>>>>>>>>> modifications the 
>>>>>>>>>>       charter
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> *Contribution Process*
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    The active stakeholders of the project engage in getting 
>>>>>>>>>>    members from the contributor/user community to form a working 
>>>>>>>>>> group to 
>>>>>>>>>>    drive the direction of the project.
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Explains to potential contributors how/if they can add code 
>>>>>>>>>>    to the repository/repositories
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Documents Workflow and management of pull requests
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Identifies who is authorized to commit or revert code
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Identifies automation is required for normal operations
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Defines how release decisions are made
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       Who is authorized to release and when.
>>>>>>>>>>       - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       Frequency limits
>>>>>>>>>>       - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Defines the documentation process
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Defines what CLA process is required and how it is 
>>>>>>>>>>    programmatically enforced before code is merged.
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>> *Project Communication Channels*
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    The working group is added as an official entity of the 
>>>>>>>>>>    Jenkins community. E.g. as a sub-project until the jenkins.io 
>>>>>>>>>>    terminology is updated: http://jenkins.io/projects 
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    The working group initially includes two roles: leader and 
>>>>>>>>>>    member
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Jenkins Operator project meetings are considered to be the 
>>>>>>>>>>    main communication and decision making channel
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       The decisions are made by a consensus among contributors
>>>>>>>>>>       - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       If a consensus cannot be reached, a voting between the 
>>>>>>>>>>       working group leadership takes place. The decision is achieved 
>>>>>>>>>> by plain 
>>>>>>>>>>       majority.
>>>>>>>>>>       - 
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>       If a decision cannot be reached on the working group 
>>>>>>>>>>       level, the Jenkins Project decision making process is used: 
>>>>>>>>>>       https://www.jenkins.io/project/governance/#meeting
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>> *Permissions and access*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TBD
>>>>>>>>>> *Issues and questions*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The following questions and issues are not answered yet and have 
>>>>>>>>>> to be answered before the establishing the governance chart:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    Can a contributor lose its status? Permanently or temporarily 
>>>>>>>>>>    ?
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    How can newcomers be promoted to leaders or contributors 
>>>>>>>>>>    roles and with which frequency ?
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    What happens if an organization gets disengaged from the 
>>>>>>>>>>    community ?
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    What if no quorum nor consensus or majority can be reached 
>>>>>>>>>>    for some decisions ?
>>>>>>>>>>    - 
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>    What are the permissions and accesses given to a maintainer 
>>>>>>>>>>    and what are the different roles maintainers can have. Eg: CI 
>>>>>>>>>> Cop, Release 
>>>>>>>>>>    Cop etc.
>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Email correspondence is considered personal data processing. Check 
>>>>>>>> out our Privacy Policy <https://virtuslab.com/gdpr> for details 
>>>>>>>> about the controller of your data and your rights according to 
>>>>>>>> GDPR/RODO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Email correspondence is considered personal data processing. Check 
>>>>>> out our Privacy Policy <https://virtuslab.com/gdpr> for details 
>>>>>> about the controller of your data and your rights according to GDPR/RODO.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Email correspondence is considered personal data processing. Check out 
>>>> our Privacy Policy <https://virtuslab.com/gdpr> for details about the 
>>>> controller of your data and your rights according to GDPR/RODO.
>>>
>>>
>>> Email correspondence is considered personal data processing. Check out 
>>> our Privacy Policy <https://virtuslab.com/gdpr> for details about the 
>>> controller of your data and your rights according to GDPR/RODO.
>>
>>

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