Graham - What you are looking for is often termed Knowledge Acquisition or
Knowledge Engineering.  A search on these terms should yield some leads on
tools. One program that I know of is DARPA's Rapid Knowledge Formation (RKF)
program, at http://reliant.teknowledge.com/RKF/. 

FYI, from showing others about rule based programming I have found that the
syntax is picked up rather quickly compared to the different programming
paradigm. Most people are very procedure oriented, while Jess is
non-procedural.  - Lewis
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-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Heyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 9:25 PM
To: Oliver Hoffmann
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: JESS: natural language and Jess?


Oliver,
    oops, I suppose that I shouldn't have used the term "natural language".
You
have a very good point. I had just been reading about true "natural
language" AI
and the turing test etc You are right that parsing natural language is hard
work.
What I was thinking of was some way of getting rules and facts out of a text
file
in some format closer to English than the CLIP language used by Jess.

    It may be that CLIP itself will be OK but I have the feeling that people
will
have a little trouble with the syntax. It may well be that we simply write
some
program which talks to the user on one end  to gather requirrements and
outputs
rules and facts at the other. What I was asking was if someone had already
done
something similar in the hope of saving some effort ;^)


Oliver Hoffmann wrote:

> At 13:47 07.05.01 -0400, Graham Heyes wrote:
> >Hello Folks
> >     I dropped off the jess list for a while so I'm sorry if this topic
> >has been beaten to death already. I couldn't find much in the archives
> >though.
> >     I would like to use Jess in a real-time control system to monitor
> >parameters from physical devices like power supplies, pumps, magnets
> >etc. I have writen a few clip files as part of a pilot project to test
> >the fesability. I was showing the clip to someone and their comment was
> >"I hope you don't expect our users to learn this!". It's a valid point.
> >I think I understand clip/Jess but the language itself is rather
> >cryptic. Is there any "natural language" method out there which would
> >allow us to write rules and facts in a way which a non-expert can
> >understand. I could probably get someone in my group to work on it but,
> >obviously, would rather start with something which already exists.
> >     Regards,
> >
> >                         Graham
>
> Graham,
>
> You can do this if you solve a little problem first: Find a way to
> automatically defer meaning from non-standardized human language. But
since
> researchers from all over the globe have unsuccessfully tried to solve
this
> little problem for the last 3 millenia, hopes are dim that you will be
able
> to come up with a quick fix.
>
> ;) Oliver
>
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